Not every team should make the playoffs. In basketball for instance those that choose not to play regular season district games should not get in.

Especially those who do want want to play regular season district games as a way to "boycott" private school teams in thier district.

Not every team should make the playoffs. In basketball for instance those that choose not to play regular season district games should not get in.

That is actually voted on by the districts. The districts vote whether to seed or not. From that point, if they choose to seed, than how many games that will be played against district opponents is determined.

 

If the district chooses NOT to seed, than it is decided upon by each individual school whether to play district games or not.

 

Why should it be important whether a AAAA school plays a A school if the district has chosen NOT to seed?

When I think of the concept of "leveling the playing field" I come away with the following suggestions: (wink, wink)

 

1. In effort to Level the playing field and remove any "unfair advantage", a point spread will be assigned by the KHSAA. For example: If KHSAA determines that St. X has 100 players and Manual has 75 players then the point spread would be adjusted based off of this differential and the ability of those players. + 12 Points Manual

 

2. If the players for any one team, really worked hard during the offseason, then that team would have to give more points to its opponent in the spirit of "leveling the playing field". +10 Points Manual

 

3. If a team has more coaches then this is an unfair advantage because some people (coaches) may not want to volunteer at other schools.

+5 Points Manual

 

4. If a team has had success in the past 10 years, this is observed as an unfair advantage and must be compensated for...

 

+ 11 Points Manual

 

 

So now that we have made every effort to make sure that the Playing field is level we will start the game with the score at:

 

St. Xavier 0

 

Manual 38

 

Now go play football and have fun. Please do not send remarks to KHSAA with reguards to the message this sends our youth of today....

Apologies to OB because I know this is not what you aimed this thread at but I felt the need to repost something I posted in another thread and no one responded to.

 

BTW, on the %'s, if the average number of players per squad is only 30, we would still only be talking about LESS THAN 1%.

 

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With an approximate 220 schools playing football and let's say an average of 50 players per squad, that is an approximate 11,000 kids playing football. With the addition of 2 more championships, we are talking an approximate another 100 kids that will hoist a championship trophy.

 

So the watering down and the every kid getting a trophy/participation ribbon argument boils down to LESS THAN 1% of the kids playing football actually receiving one of the new football state trophies. I would not call that watering down.

 

But what about having more kids involved. Another 58 schools will see postseason action that will not this year. Most will be one additional game. Some lucky ones will get two and maybe 1-2 teams will see a third game. So now we see an approximate 2900 kids getting to experience the thrill of postseason.

 

So to summarize at this point, LESS than 1% of the football players in the state will see a state trophy that they would not have seen beforehand while over 2900 kids get to experience postseason play. And those are bad things??????

 

And to add to my point, beyond the kids. What about all the enthusiasm and spirit generated by playing in postseason and deeper into the postseason for the schools and communities?

 

So, LESS THAN 1% of HS athletes will hoist a state title while approximately 2900 HS football players and untold number of fans will get to experience postseason play.

 

And that's a bad thing??????????????

 

 

 

Two comments:

 

1) I am for all teams in KY making the playoffs. Just like in basketball, soccer, and baseball.

 

2) I wonder how the percent of high school football teams getting a state title in Kentucky compares to other states. I"m sure next year Ky will have one of the highest if not higest percentages in the nation. This is where the watered down argument comes into play.

Two comments:

 

1) I am for all teams in KY making the playoffs. Just like in basketball, soccer, and baseball.

 

2) I wonder how the percent of high school football teams getting a state title in Kentucky compares to other states. I"m sure next year Ky will have one of the highest if not higest percentages in the nation. This is where the watered down argument comes into play.

6 teams will win a state football title. I believe there is around 220 football teams. That is 2.7% of the football teams in the state of KY will claim a KHSAA State Football title.

 

Presently, 4 teams win at a 1.8% rate. So we are seeing a .9% increase.

 

Wow!!! I didn't know that LESS THAN 1% was considered watered down. We skyrocketed from 1.8% to 2.7%. At that low of a %, does it really matter what is going on around us?

6 teams will win a state football title. I believe there is around 220 football teams. That is 2.7% of the football teams in the state of KY will claim a KHSAA State Football title.

 

Presently, 4 teams win at a 1.8% rate. So we are seeing a .9% increase.

 

Wow!!! I didn't know that LESS THAN 1% was considered watered down. We skyrocketed from 1.8% to 2.7%. At that low of a %, does it really matter what is going on around us?

 

Currently there are 4 state champoions. Going to 6 is a 50% increase in state champions. Adding 2 more champions is indeed only .9% of the TOTAL SCHOOLS involved, but it waters the CHAMPIONSHIP down by a MUCH greater percentage.

By your logic is seems that one could argue for 2 more championships in, say, 2010 (heck, it's only .9% more), then maybe 2 more in 2015 (because what's another .9%?)

I'm not trying to be a smart aleck, but seriously, at what point would there be too many championships? Is 6 the perfect number? I remember when the state went from 3 to 4 classes. We're bypassing 5 and going straight to 6 championships. Will we go straight to 8 or 10 classes in 30 more years?

I believe the change is neither prudent nor necessary.

Currently there are 4 state champoions. Going to 6 is a 50% increase in state champions. Adding 2 more champions is indeed only .9% of the TOTAL SCHOOLS involved, but it waters the CHAMPIONSHIP down by a MUCH greater percentage.

By your logic is seems that one could argue for 2 more championships in, say, 2010 (heck, it's only .9% more), then maybe 2 more in 2015 (because what's another .9%?)

I'm not trying to be a smart aleck, but seriously, at what point would there be too many championships? Is 6 the perfect number? I remember when the state went from 3 to 4 classes. We're bypassing 5 and going straight to 6 championships. Will we go straight to 8 or 10 classes in 30 more years?

I believe the change is neither prudent nor necessary.

I think that determination should be made exactly how it went down.

 

A committee made up of those involved with football studied the issue and made a recommendation.

 

Those that each local school has chosen to be the voice representing their school had a choice to give input.

 

That input was considered and the recommendation was voted upon by members of the Board of Control that is put there by voting from the member schools.

 

Remember, the KHSAA staff DID NOT decide this. It was decided by people that were ELECTED by the member schools around this state.

 

As in our elected representatives in DC, if you don't like their decisions than replace the elected reps at the next election.

Use the point spread method .....

I think that we are headed off in a direction that doesn't make a lot of sense. You may or may not like the idea of six titles, but the reason behind it isn't about trying to make people feel good or any of the other somewhat insulting stuff that has been mentioned. The largest single reason for the new classes is the size disparity in 1A and 4A. Size is not the only determinant in football success, but it is one important factor. The new classes will reduce, but not eliminate, the size differences from the top to the bottom of 4A. On that basis I think it is a good idea. And before anyone asks, don't look for logic when comparing football to other sports. You won't find it.

 

Beyond that, I would like to thank Leatherneck for his analysis of the different results on the field. Long standing emphasis and feeder programs are a huge factor. The dominance of the Louisville girls schools is even better evidence. The Louisville girls schools had strong girls sports programs long before Title IX and girls sports are also very strong in the Louisville Catholic elementary schools. It will take the rest of the state a long time to catch up. That isn't unfair. It is the reward of decades of hard work.

I think that we are headed off in a direction that doesn't make a lot of sense. You may or may not like the idea of six titles, but the reason behind it isn't about trying to make people feel good or any of the other somewhat insulting stuff that has been mentioned. The largest single reason for the new classes is the size disparity in 1A and 4A. Size is not the only determinant in football success, but it is one important factor. The new classes will reduce, but not eliminate, the size differences from the top to the bottom of 4A. On that basis I think it is a good idea. And before anyone asks, don't look for logic when comparing football to other sports. You won't find it.

 

Beyond that, I would like to thank Leatherneck for his analysis of the different results on the field. Long standing emphasis and feeder programs are a huge factor. The dominance of the Louisville girls schools is even better evidence. The Louisville girls schools had strong girls sports programs long before Title IX and girls sports are also very strong in the Louisville Catholic elementary schools. It will take the rest of the state a long time to catch up. That isn't unfair. It is the reward of decades of hard work.

 

 

Thanks TA, although it somewhat "pains me" that you made the same point in 7 lines that it took me about 70 to make. Typical long winded lawyer I am:banana:

I think that we are headed off in a direction that doesn't make a lot of sense. You may or may not like the idea of six titles, but the reason behind it isn't about trying to make people feel good or any of the other somewhat insulting stuff that has been mentioned. The largest single reason for the new classes is the size disparity in 1A and 4A. Size is not the only determinant in football success, but it is one important factor. The new classes will reduce, but not eliminate, the size differences from the top to the bottom of 4A. On that basis I think it is a good idea. And before anyone asks, don't look for logic when comparing football to other sports. You won't find it.

 

Beyond that, I would like to thank Leatherneck for his analysis of the different results on the field. Long standing emphasis and feeder programs are a huge factor. The dominance of the Louisville girls schools is even better evidence. The Louisville girls schools had strong girls sports programs long before Title IX and girls sports are also very strong in the Louisville Catholic elementary schools. It will take the rest of the state a long time to catch up. That isn't unfair. It is the reward of decades of hard work.

 

 

Good post, TA. I may have to make you an honorary good ol' boy.

When I think of the concept of "leveling the playing field" I come away with the following suggestions: (wink, wink)

 

1. In effort to Level the playing field and remove any "unfair advantage", a point spread will be assigned by the KHSAA. For example: If KHSAA determines that St. X has 100 players and Manual has 75 players then the point spread would be adjusted based off of this differential and the ability of those players. + 12 Points Manual

 

2. If the players for any one team, really worked hard during the offseason, then that team would have to give more points to its opponent in the spirit of "leveling the playing field". +10 Points Manual

 

3. If a team has more coaches then this is an unfair advantage because some people (coaches) may not want to volunteer at other schools.

+5 Points Manual

 

4. If a team has had success in the past 10 years, this is observed as an unfair advantage and must be compensated for...

 

+ 11 Points Manual

 

 

So now that we have made every effort to make sure that the Playing field is level we will start the game with the score at:

 

St. Xavier 0

 

Manual 38

 

Now go play football and have fun. Please do not send remarks to KHSAA with reguards to the message this sends our youth of today....

Why dont you play Male and Manual and PRP with just kids from Jefferson County then see how you would fair. Better yet,Beat male with just catholic school kids then you can say how all the other factors mean to winning. Untill T and X do that no one will ever know. That wont happen just check their rooster.

Why dont you play Male and Manual and PRP with just kids from Jefferson County then see how you would fair. Better yet,Beat male with just catholic school kids then you can say how all the other factors mean to winning. Untill T and X do that no one will ever know. That wont happen just check their rooster.

 

To the bolded point, then Male or any other school would need to only play with kids who attended public middle schools...none from Catholic grade schools.

 

BTW, there are Catholic kids in public grade/middle/high schools and there are non-Catholic kids in Catholic grade/middle/high schools.

 

Just so you know.

To the bolded point, then Male or any other school would need to only play with kids who attended public middle schools...none from Catholic grade schools.

 

BTW, there are Catholic kids in public grade/middle/high schools and there are non-Catholic kids in Catholic grade/middle/high schools.

 

Just so you know.

That will be fine and fair. I can name some kids from manual. Can anyone name some from male or PRP? In the last five years? Kids who went to catholic grade school and played for Male? Ok How about If they could just get kids from Jefferson county; public or private. Still would have taken alot of key people off the teams that have won the championships. Or Just say, Male PRP and Manual can get Kidds from where ever they want. Let them take them from IN, shelby, and Oldham counties, because it just wouldnt be the average football player from those counties it is the best from those counties. the point I am trying to make is this. When your team has a core or make up 90% of hard working and family supported kids that have played football since they were 8, it only takes two or three skill kids to put you over the top and far and above any other team. I believe Male and those other schools would beat T and X if they would just stay within Jefferson County.

6 teams will win a state football title. I believe there is around 220 football teams. That is 2.7% of the football teams in the state of KY will claim a KHSAA State Football title.

 

Presently, 4 teams win at a 1.8% rate. So we are seeing a .9% increase.

 

Wow!!! I didn't know that LESS THAN 1% was considered watered down. We skyrocketed from 1.8% to 2.7%. At that low of a %, does it really matter what is going on around us?

 

I'm not concerned about what the % increase is in the number of teams getting a championship. I was questioning how the % of teams winning titles compares to other states. If it such a great idea to have so few teams in each division, why other states haven't come to the same conclusion? To that point, it does matter what is going on around us.