AverageJoesGym Posted August 6, 2016 Posted August 6, 2016 18 year old Paul O'Neal was shot in the back by Chicago Police after stealing a Jaguar and attempting to flee. The vehicle struck one police vehicle and eventually crashed head on into another. The officers began firing at the vehicle as it drove away before it hit the 2nd vehicle head on. O'Neal got out and fled through back yards before being chased down and shot in the back. He did not have a firearm. Some of the officers said that they thought that shots were coming from the Jaguar but it turned out to be bullets from their fellow officers who were shooting at the car. What the Paul O'Neal videos show - Chicago Tribune Videos of deadly cop shooting show procedural errors, confusion over shots - Chicago Tribune Three officers have been suspended for violating department policy by firing at a moving vehicle.
00Rocket28 Posted August 6, 2016 Posted August 6, 2016 Sounds like a confusing mess. I hate it for all parties involved. Hate it for the confused officer who thought he was being fired upon, and hate it for the young mans family. Also, hate that he was committing several felonies that lead to this. Had he not committed those crimes, many lives would not be in shambles right now.
Lawnboy13 Posted August 6, 2016 Posted August 6, 2016 If Paul O'Neal stole this vehicle, then he is solely to blame for EVERYTHING that transpired....no if's and's or but's about it. Feel bad for all involved.
littleluck55 Posted August 7, 2016 Posted August 7, 2016 The video showing them firing down the middle of the street in a neighborhood is crazy. Lucky no one was shot in that mess. Stealing a car, ramming 2 police cruisers, smh.
00Rocket28 Posted August 7, 2016 Posted August 7, 2016 They may get fired for violating policy, but I think the shots were fired in good faith initially. Not sure what went down in the yard though
TexasRanger Posted August 7, 2016 Posted August 7, 2016 They may get fired for violating policy, but I think the shots were fired in good faith initially. Not sure what went down in the yard though Thats kind of where I'm at. Not seeing the whole chase makes it hard also. If the car was driving crazy thru residential streets posing a threat to the public, I'm ok with stopping the car. The backyard is were I'm not sure where to stand. If he was running away then I would think the officers are in some trouble, if the guy attacked the officer I get it.
00Rocket28 Posted August 7, 2016 Posted August 7, 2016 Thats kind of where I'm at. Not seeing the whole chase makes it hard also. If the car was driving crazy thru residential streets posing a threat to the public, I'm ok with stopping the car. The backyard is were I'm not sure where to stand. If he was running away then I would think the officers are in some trouble, if the guy attacked the officer I get it. Or the officer was the one who thought he had been fired upon and the kid was reaching in his bag or refusing to show his hands, then the officer would be acting in good faith. I think the video showing how reckless and the disregard for others safety of the kid will be HUGE in this OIS. That kid put a lot of people's lives at risk that day, including his own.
SportsGuy41017 Posted August 7, 2016 Posted August 7, 2016 I'll wait until everything comes out before my final opinion. BUT, a few of the officers violated policy by shooting. The officer who shot him admitted that he didn't know if the guy was armed or not, what he did hear were the other officers shooting. One officer points to an officers body can right after he said that he thought he shot the guy. Then you hear officers asking if he shot at them, which he did not. Just because someone steals a vehicle and runs from the LEO's doesn't give them the right to violate procedures and do whatever they want. Then we have the officer who did shoot the guy in the back, who's bodycam wasn't on during the shooting? But again, once more comes out hopefully it will tell us exactly what went down.
TAC Posted August 7, 2016 Posted August 7, 2016 If Paul O'Neal stole this vehicle, then he is solely to blame for EVERYTHING that transpired....no if's and's or but's about it. Feel bad for all involved. Ramming police cars is as dangerous to the cops as a gun. Deadly weapon.
Clyde Posted August 7, 2016 Posted August 7, 2016 Great example for an interesting topic to debate. If a suspect is running away from police and is not threatening any other people can he be shot by police? Not an easy question to answer. I don't think we want officers shooting people who are no longer threats to anyone regardless of what they did prior to running. This puts police in a tough spot though because we are asking them to disregard human nature and emotion. A guy tried to run over the police. They're mad. Their adrenaline is pumping. They naturally want to seek retribution. But they can't. That's not what we want out police to do if the person is not a threat. I think the officer who shot the suspect is going to be in trouble.
plantmanky Posted August 8, 2016 Posted August 8, 2016 Great example for an interesting topic to debate. If a suspect is running away from police and is not threatening any other people can he be shot by police? Not an easy question to answer. I don't think we want officers shooting people who are no longer threats to anyone regardless of what they did prior to running. This puts police in a tough spot though because we are asking them to disregard human nature and emotion. A guy tried to run over the police. They're mad. Their adrenaline is pumping. They naturally want to seek retribution. But they can't. That's not what we want out police to do if the person is not a threat. I think the officer who shot the suspect is going to be in trouble. So a guy who attempts to murders someone, is running from police....they should not shoot him because he is not a threat? How do you know he is not a threat, has he not proven to have already committed violent acts against people?
BigVMan23 Posted August 8, 2016 Posted August 8, 2016 Great example for an interesting topic to debate. If a suspect is running away from police and is not threatening any other people can he be shot by police? Not an easy question to answer. I don't think we want officers shooting people who are no longer threats to anyone regardless of what they did prior to running. This puts police in a tough spot though because we are asking them to disregard human nature and emotion. A guy tried to run over the police. They're mad. Their adrenaline is pumping. They naturally want to seek retribution. But they can't. That's not what we want out police to do if the person is not a threat. I think the officer who shot the suspect is going to be in trouble. in short if the police are chasing an armed person and that person had shot at police and or civilians, he is fair game. He has proven to be a danger and he could very well, should he get away use the gun to kill someone if he hadn't killed someone already.
Clyde Posted August 8, 2016 Posted August 8, 2016 So a guy who attempts to murders someone, is running from police....they should not shoot him because he is not a threat? How do you know he is not a threat, has he not proven to have already committed violent acts against people? My understanding (and others can correct me)is that police standards call for no shooting unless a person is a threat. If you can tell me how a guy on foot with no gun is a threat then I'll consider the police shooting him from behind as a possible legit response.
Clyde Posted August 8, 2016 Posted August 8, 2016 in short if the police are chasing an armed person and that person had shot at police and or civilians, he is fair game. He has proven to be a danger and he could very well, should he get away use the gun to kill someone if he hadn't killed someone already. If you're saying the person running is KNOWN to have had a gun and has it out while running then we're in agreement. That's not the case in this example.
plantmanky Posted August 8, 2016 Posted August 8, 2016 My understanding (and others can correct me)is that police standards call for no shooting unless a person is a threat. If you can tell me how a guy on foot with no gun is a threat then I'll consider the police shooting him from behind as a possible legit response. So a guy who used a car as a weapon against persons is not a threat?
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