June 28, 201610 yr I'll admit I had to look that one up. Still not sure that I understand what it means as it sounds like being bi-sexual to me. Well, I think it means you'll screw anything, or maybe an iron skillet. Not sure. But I guess Billy Ray Cyrus' kid says she's one.
June 28, 201610 yr Author No, pick one you like better. How about adulterers? Is that soft enough? How about pansexuals? Just asking. I know where you stand and know you won't change your opinion. Just making the same tired point I always make. You can insert one you like, my argument is the same. I have no issue with what the pope said either. I am not clear on where you stand. Help me out.
June 28, 201610 yr No, pick one you like better. How about adulterers? Is that soft enough? How about pansexuals? Just asking. I know where you stand and know you won't change your opinion. Just making the same tired point I always make. You can insert one you like, my argument is the same. I have no issue with what the pope said either. Hitting awfully close to home, doc.
June 28, 201610 yr In Sunday School class we actually covered the book of Romans where homosexuality is addressed. One of my congregants asked me if I thought that all the homosexual men and women in the Orlando shooting were in Hell.
June 29, 201610 yr In Sunday School class we actually covered the book of Romans where homosexuality is addressed. One of my congregants asked me if I thought that all the homosexual men and women in the Orlando shooting were in Hell. And you are just gonna stop there? I know, right? Talk about a cliffhanger …
June 29, 201610 yr I said that I do not know the condition of their souls. But, if they are in Hell, it is not because they were a homosexual, it is because they were outside the body of Christ. It is because they did not pick up their cross and follow him. They did not hear, believe, repent, or get baptized for the forgiveness of their sins. I then went on and said that if someone came into our church and shot us, we would not go to heaven just because we were sitting in church. It would be because we were within the body of Christ and received forgiveness for our sins. They then asked if I believed a person can be gay and Christian at the same time. I said "I think so"
June 29, 201610 yr I said that I do not know the condition of their souls. But, if they are in Hell, it is not because they were a homosexual, it is because they were outside the body of Christ. It is because they did not pick up their cross and follow him. They did not hear, believe, repent, or get baptized for the forgiveness of their sins. I then went on and said that if someone came into our church and shot us, we would not go to heaven just because we were sitting in church. It would be because we were within the body of Christ and received forgiveness for our sins. They then asked if I believed a person can be gay and Christian at the same time. I said "I think so" Much respect for sharing your answer.:thumb:
June 29, 201610 yr Is alcoholism a condition? A choice? . The drinking that lead to the alcoholism was a choice but I think most alcoholics become an alcoholic before they even realize it themselves and didn't choose to become an alcoholic. How about pedophilia? That depends. Would you define pedophilia as actively pursuing sex with children or simply having sexual attraction to children? While similar they are not the same. The first is obviously a choice, the second is just a bizarre unfortunate quirk in someone's physiology that is obviously not a choice. Stating that, I am aware of two people who sought counseling for their attraction to children. One along with continued counseling, moved to an area where children around are rare and removed the internet from his home to prevent temptation. The other I found out struggled much more and seriously considered suicide. I have not heard how he is doing. To the best of my knowledge, neither ever tried to touch a child but I would still say they are pedophiles, but not by choice. I could go on, but I won't. The lines are clearly drawn already. I don't know if they are clearly drawn.
June 29, 201610 yr Author I think some are overthinking this. To me he's saying "Be Christian." Nothing more. Nothing less.
June 29, 201610 yr Are we equating homosexuality with pedophilia? Really? You really go that from Spindoc's comment? Really? When making a point, it is common to make an analogy to a more extreme example to get the point across but for some reason, people seem to jump to the conclusion that the author of the comment is equating them rather than using an analogy.
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