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WXIX : Pike Co. Massacre: Former prosecutor says evidence in family murders 'virtually useless'

 

PIKE COUNTY, OH (FOX19) -More than a dozen shots were fired the morning of April 22, 2016. Those shots killed eight members of the same family.

They were shot and killed in their beds, Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine told the world during the first press conference the afternoon of the killings. It was an execution-style murder, DeWine said.

Now, five months later, it’s still a mystery who did it.

Hundreds of deputies from across the state of Ohio, including dozens of state investigators, stormed Union Hill Road. That’s where seven of the victims lay dead.

Hours later, a 911 call from Left Fork Road led investigators to the eighth victim.

In one night, nearly an entire family was wiped out.

 

THE ‘UNPRECEDENTED’ INVESTIGATION

It’s not common. It’s rarely - if ever - done.

When it comes to the Pike County mass murder case, nothing seems to be business as usual for the team tasked with figuring out who shot and killed eight members of the Rhoden family.

“I decided to move those crime scenes,” Pike County Sheriff Charles Reader told FOX19 NOW.

The reason: the sheriff wanted the scenes preserved.

Had those trailers stayed where they were, Reader explained, they would have “been burned” or destroyed.

The decision was made. Pike County would pay local contractors to move three of crime scenes from Union Hill and the one from Left Fork Road. They dragged them 20 miles away into a warehouse in Waverly.

The tow bill alone totaled $12,994, according to spending records provided to FOX19 NOW by the sheriff’s office.

That total, the sheriff later told us, wasn’t all the towing cost to taxpayers. But, as of this report, the sheriff’s office has not provided the rest of the spending.

The county decided to lease a part of a 122,000 square foot warehouse in Waverly from a chemical compounding company. The sheriff told FOX19 NOW he negotiated a deal: the county would spend $15,000 to house the Rhoden evidence inside the Hadsell

 

Chemical Processing warehouse through sometime around May of 2017.

“We did it to protect the crime scenes,” DeWine told reporters the day the trailers the Rhodens were murdered in were parked inside that warehouse.

For a while, the Pike County Sheriff’s Office kept deputies posted at the warehouse around the clock, Reader told us during an interview at his office Monday morning.

Reader could not provide a date that those security details stopped, but said the county couldn’t afford the security any longer.

That decision ended in a FOX19 NOW investigation.

 

“THIS AIN’T GOOD ENOUGH”

“Any evidence that they would pull out of that thing would be virtually useless,” former Hamilton County prosecutor Mike Allen said as he stood in the parking lot of the evidence warehouse two weeks ago.

 

“You can walk straight through the gate there and over that fence. An old man like me can get over that thing in 20 seconds,” Allen said, pointing out the fact that the main gate into the warehouse compound was cracked open and unlocked.

That was on a Sunday afternoon. The chemical company was closed. There were no police officers in sight.

Reader says the crime scene evidence is protected by security measures, but our undercover investigation found no traces of guards, law enforcement, or even a lock on the gate around the warehouse property.

In 70 hours over a six-week period, FOX19 NOW never saw a cop in the area. The warehouse’s main entrance was often left unlocked for anyone to walk through and a gated access road alongside the property is secured with only a piece of wire.

Barr drove by and through the warehouse’s parking lot 125 times in the middle of the night. No one ever knew it.

The lack of security shocked Allen, who said this development could make that crucial evidence “virtually useless.”

 

“If they’re able to identify and charge and indict who committed these horrible crimes, yeah, the whole thing could be jeopardized because of this,” Allen said.

“Is it hard to get all the evidence together and make sure it’s secured? Of course it’s hard,” Allen said. “But this ain’t good enough.”

A fence surrounds the property, but Allen says that fact might not hold up in court.

“Any evidence that they would pull out of that thing would be virtually useless,” Allen said. When asked why, he responded, “Because you can walk straight through that gate there and over that fence… An old man like me can get over that in 20 seconds.”

The warehouse is also home to at least two private companies.

During 20 different trips to Pike County, FOX19 NOW watched those employees walk into work and come within feet of the evidence.

The evidence’s close encounters with civilians would be a “prosecutor’s nightmare,” Allen said.

Authorities would not allow FOX19 NOW inside the warehouse to see exactly how the four trailers were protected.

One morning, our investigator caught a look at one of the Rhoden trailers through an open door to the warehouse. Employees were sitting near that open door.

 

SHERIFF: I HAVE SECURITY MEASURES IN PLACE

Reader has been working with the AG’s office since Day 1 of the murder investigation. Through our four-hour interview, Reader declined to comment on who is guarding the evidence.

FOX19 NOW would not report the specific details of the security measures. We simply wanted to know if the sheriff’s office is doing its job to ensure the chain of custody of the evidence.

We showed Reader our video of the warehouse’s empty guard shack unlocked and unmanned over an entire weekend.

Barr: If anyone was in or around that warehouse at any point in time during the day, you would know about it?

Reader: Absolutely.

Barr: On that property?

Reader: Yes… Or someone else with my staff should know about it, Yes.

The sheriff eventually acknowledged that the warehouse was unmanned by law enforcement.

“I will not tell you that they’re there 24 hours a day. I will not argue the fact they’re not there 24 hours a day. I will tell you there are there,” he said.

We walked into the chemical company inside the warehouse and asked to see an investigator with the sheriff’s or AG’s office.

“They’re not here hardly at all anymore,” the chemical company worker said. “Somebody might stop in the office once in a great while, but they haven’t been here for a while.”

 

AG DEWINE RESPONDS

Attorney General DeWine would be the one to prosecute this case once arrests are made. FOX19 NOW tracked him down, and he did not seem concerned.

“It is true, sometimes you get a lead and sometimes there's something there to find and you go back and that is certainly a rare occurrence," DeWine said.

He claims all the evidence being used in the investigation has been put in another secure location.

Barr asked about the possibility of there being valuable evidence inside the warehouse. DeWine replied, "Well, I suppose that anything's possible and it's possible that could be."

Edited September 29, 20169 yr by Colonels_Wear_Blue

Interesting read. I know that area fairly well as some friends and I have a little lake retreat we visit several times a year just that is just south of Peebles. Knowing that the area certainly isn't thriving and the local government is likely running on a tight budget I'm surprised that the Ohio Bureau of Investigation didn't help finance the storage and security since they were heavily involved in this case. That said, it really probably doesn't matter anyway, as I don't think there was a chance from the get go that this one could be solved. The killers that did this were essentially professionals and have likely done similar style killings several times before.

Any updates on this?

Any updates on this?

 

Not really other than the fighting over the autopsy reports being released. This one will never be solved, IMO. Even if they do figure out who did it I doubt they could get a conviction due to how the crime scene was stored.

Not really other than the fighting over the autopsy reports being released. This one will never be solved, IMO. Even if they do figure out who did it I doubt they could get a conviction due to how the crime scene was stored.

 

See i think they do know who did it. Maybe not pulled the triggers but who called the hits and for some reason they dont want to go after them yet. Maybe its leads to a big time player and they are letting stuff behind the scenes play out. Or the know who it is and are not going to prosecute them.

See i think they do know who did it. Maybe not pulled the triggers but who called the hits and for some reason they dont want to go after them yet. Maybe its leads to a big time player and they are letting stuff behind the scenes play out. Or the know who it is and are not going to prosecute them.

 

Many times it's not about not wanting to go after them, it's knowing you only have one shot at it. If you don't have the stone cold proof or willing witnesses it's hard to get a conviction. I know of a couple of cases where law enforcement "knows" who did it, but don't have enough evidence to convict or maybe even get an indictment. It's not always about "Not wanting to go after them", it's about not being able to. Double Jeopardy gives you one swing at it, if you miss they walk forever.

See i think they do know who did it. Maybe not pulled the triggers but who called the hits and for some reason they dont want to go after them yet. Maybe its leads to a big time player and they are letting stuff behind the scenes play out. Or the know who it is and are not going to prosecute them.

 

I hope your right and they nail them. But from earlier reports about how the crime scene was handled after it was moved, it will be hard to get convictions unless someone talks and testifies or there is actual confessions. The lot they stored the mobile homes in was pretty much unsecured after some time passed. A decent attorney would have all of that evidence thrown out.

Many times it's not about not wanting to go after them, it's knowing you only have one shot at it. If you don't have the stone cold proof or willing witnesses it's hard to get a conviction. I know of a couple of cases where law enforcement "knows" who did it, but don't have enough evidence to convict or maybe even get an indictment. It's not always about "Not wanting to go after them", it's about not being able to. Double Jeopardy gives you one swing at it, if you miss they walk forever.

 

Unless the result is a mistrial or hung jury. I get what your saying though, there is no point in charging someone(s) in a case like this unless you know you can get the conviction. Which goes back to my previous post, I think it's likely a lost cause at this point.

Unless the result is a mistrial or hung jury. I get what your saying though, there is no point in charging someone(s) in a case like this unless you know you can get the conviction. Which goes back to my previous post, I think it's likely a lost cause at this point.

 

After reading about it, I thought it was a lost cause from the beginning. This wasn't, in my opinion, locals. This appears to be a professional hit in that all happened nearly simultaneously and the family was involved in the drug trade. I'd bet the shooters were long long gone before the first body was found.

After reading about it, I thought it was a lost cause from the beginning. This wasn't, in my opinion, locals. This appears to be a professional hit in that all happened nearly simultaneously and the family was involved in the drug trade. I'd bet the shooters were long long gone before the first body was found.

 

This is DEFINITELY where I'm at on this one.

I hope your right and they nail them. But from earlier reports about how the crime scene was handled after it was moved, it will be hard to get convictions unless someone talks and testifies or there is actual confessions. The lot they stored the mobile homes in was pretty much unsecured after some time passed. A decent attorney would have all of that evidence thrown out.

 

You think the evidence was handled that way on purpose? I do.

After reading about it, I thought it was a lost cause from the beginning. This wasn't, in my opinion, locals. This appears to be a professional hit in that all happened nearly simultaneously and the family was involved in the drug trade. I'd bet the shooters were long long gone before the first body was found.

 

That was my line of thinking as well, these murders have "cartel" written all over them. A while back I remember reading a news article that quoted the local police as saying they believed the killer(s) had to be local to know the land that well. I thought that was an odd statement to make.

You think the evidence was handled that way on purpose? I do.

 

I don't. I'm somewhat familiar with that area as a few buddy's and I have a camper at Mineral Springs Lake, just outside of Peebles, Ohio. It's a small, rural county that does not have the resources or finances to provide 24/7 security for the length of time needed during this investigation. IMO, the state should have offered some financial assistance but to my knowledge never did.