Haven't seen a thread on this game yet, although have seen a little discussion in other threads about it so I thought I would get it started. What is everyone's thoughts on this game? If McNeil is back can Cooper pull the upset? How do they stop/limit Weyer and force the others to beat them? If McNeil is back, how does NewCath limit him and is he rusty? How do you prepare if you are NewCath not knowing if he will play or not? A lot of questions to be answered. What say you?

If Sean is back, and I hope he is, he's going to be rusty. He's human. Cooper cannot count on him to carry them on his back. He can be a great addition and one more guy to worry about. I just hope we all keep it in proper perspective.

If Sean is back, and I hope he is, he's going to be rusty. He's human. Cooper cannot count on him to carry them on his back. He can be a great addition and one more guy to worry about. I just hope we all keep it in proper perspective.

 

I don't disagree at all, I think his shot will be rusty, although he has been able to get shots up for the last week or so without the cast on. That is different than being in a game. I do think he is still the guy that they can rely on though with his ability to create, and I bet his left hand has become even stronger since it was all he had for a month. I would expect him to still be the most talented player on the court if he suits up Friday.

I don't disagree at all, I think his shot will be rusty, although he has been able to get shots up for the last week or so without the cast on. That is different than being in a game. I do think he is still the guy that they can rely on though with his ability to create, and I bet his left hand has become even stronger since it was all he had for a month. I would expect him to still be the most talented player on the court if he suits up Friday.

 

Having him at full strength makes this a real matchup. The real question will be, if so then I would agree with you.

Having him at full strength makes this a real matchup. The real question will be, if so then I would agree with you.

 

What really intrigues me is three different things:

1.) We all know both of these coaches are fantastic. What does Coach Sullivan implement to try and limit Weyer and on the flip side how does NCC account for McNeil.

 

2.) Does Cooper learn anything from the first meeting? What I mean by that is I am pretty sure that Weyer had 9 million blocks or altered shots in the first meeting, how does Cooper counteract that?

 

3.) Does NCC try and run and go up tempo on the big floor since Cooper has limited depth without Hendrix and Kunkel, and especially if McNeil is not able to suit up? Or does Cooper try and run and get some points in transition to try and "wear out Weyer"? (See what I did there) ha ha. Seriously though, this game is the one I want to see the most out of all 4 and not just because of my affiliation with Cooper.

What really intrigues me is three different things:

1.) We all know both of these coaches are fantastic. What does Coach Sullivan implement to try and limit Weyer and on the flip side how does NCC account for McNeil.

 

2.) Does Cooper learn anything from the first meeting? What I mean by that is I am pretty sure that Weyer had 9 million blocks or altered shots in the first meeting, how does Cooper counteract that?

 

3.) Does NCC try and run and go up tempo on the big floor since Cooper has limited depth without Hendrix and Kunkel, and especially if McNeil is not able to suit up? Or does Cooper try and run and get some points in transition to try and "wear out Weyer"? (See what I did there) ha ha. Seriously though, this game is the one I want to see the most out of all 4 and not just because of my affiliation with Cooper.

nothing cooper can really do but hope Weyer has a "off night" McNeil was 100% at the last meeting and he wasn't the most talented kid on the court!! I predict ncc wins by 8.. Go Breds!!!

NCC by 10

I would expect him to still be the most talented player on the court if he suits up Friday.

 

That is quite a comment with a Bellarmine commit and the 9th Region POY on the other roster. Wow...poke that bear.

 

NewCath wins by 6-12. Not having Kunkel, as I understand it, along with Hendrix, will be too much to overcome. If Cooper is in it late, I do LOVE their chances with Sully standing in the coaches box. That guy can really get it done, but I'm afraid they are just simply outmanned in this one due to injuries and rust.

That is quite a comment with a Bellarmine commit and the 9th Region POY on the other roster. Wow...poke that bear. NewCath wins by 6-12. Not having Kunkel' date=' as I understand it, along with Hendrix, will be too much to overcome. If Cooper is in it late, I do LOVE their chances with Sully standing in the coaches box. That guy can really get it done, but I'm afraid they are just simply outmanned in this one due to injuries and rust.[/quote'] A few called Ben out in his first game this year against HHS; they poked the bear and the bear won. WOW, when he is hitting on all cylinders. Big fan of McNeil as well. No Kunkel, No Hendrix just too difficult. Watch out next year!

That is quite a comment with a Bellarmine commit and the 9th Region POY on the other roster. Wow...poke that bear.

 

NewCath wins by 6-12. Not having Kunkel, as I understand it, along with Hendrix, will be too much to overcome. If Cooper is in it late, I do LOVE their chances with Sully standing in the coaches box. That guy can really get it done, but I'm afraid they are just simply outmanned in this one due to injuries and rust.

 

Not a poke at all. I don't think it is a knock on Weyer at all to say Sean is more talented. I didn't say he was a better basketball player. I didn't say Weyer is no good. By more talented I meant what it sounds like. When McNeil steps on the floor he is the most talented player on the court on just about any night. Better dribbler, shooter, slasher, etc. than most people on the floor. I think it is accurate. Is Weyer the player of the year? Without question. Is he a spectacular basketball player? No question. Does he dominate a game more than McNeil? Probably, but he is also 5-6 inches taller. Is he more talented than McNeil? In my opinion he is not. He doesn't dribble as well, drive as well, or shoot as well. I don't think that is poking the bear at all. There are not 3 people in NKY that are more "talented" than McNeil, in my opinion. Not a knock on anyone else, just saying the kid is super talented.

 

Think of it this way, if McNeil had the height of Weyer and they both still had the same exact skills right now, who would you say is more talented? Again, not a knock, just saying McNeil is better in certain individual areas. But honestly, if NCC needs bill board material, I hope they would find something better than me saying McNeil is the most talented kid on the floor.

nothing cooper can really do but hope Weyer has a "off night" McNeil was 100% at the last meeting and he wasn't the most talented kid on the court!! I predict ncc wins by 8.. Go Breds!!!

 

Your stat line does not mean you are the most talented kid on the court. You guys are acting like I said he is the most dominant, unstoppable player on the court. Not my intentions. My point is that every time McNeil steps on the court, 99% of the time he is the best ball handler, slasher, and shooter on the floor. He doesn't always dominate a game like Weyer does, but he is also isn't 4-5 inches taller than everyone else. Weyer is a fantastic player, I am not knocking the kid. I have watched him a few times. When he is on, he dominates a game on both ends. But that doesn't make him more talented.

Weyer is the best player in the region no questioning that. Without Kunkel and Hendrix the task is huge however not impossible. IF, Sean McNeil plays, and that has not been confirmed by anyone in the Cooper camp, they have a shot.

Weyer is not the X-factor in this game contrary to what most may think. Moeves is the X-factor as Cooper could not stop his 3 point shooting let alone the rest of the NCC team. While Weyer had a great 1st half in their first meeting, he was neutralized, not stopped, considerably in the 2nd half as he only had 3 points on 3 free throws if I am not mistaken. Cooper was down 15 points in this game and cut the lead to 3 until NCC pulled away as Cooper ran out of gas.

Is NCC supposed to win?, absolutely. Can they be upset if Sean plays and the other young Jags play unbelievably and get out and run, possibly. All I'll say is stranger things have happened on the "longer court".

NCC is a bit inconsistent this year......sometimes in the same game. They could throw together 3 great games or they could be bounced in first round. Last year on the same floor they bested Holmes in the regular season and then promptly lost to them in first round of regional. Not really sure what to expect Friday. Could see Cooper winning despite being limited.

Can NCC get past not just Cooper but the dreaded BB&T Arena monkey? If they shoot well and Hall can get to the rim I think they win by 10.

Not a poke at all. I don't think it is a knock on Weyer at all to say Sean is more talented. I didn't say he was a better basketball player. I didn't say Weyer is no good. By more talented I meant what it sounds like. When McNeil steps on the floor he is the most talented player on the court on just about any night. Better dribbler, shooter, slasher, etc. than most people on the floor. I think it is accurate. Is Weyer the player of the year? Without question. Is he a spectacular basketball player? No question. Does he dominate a game more than McNeil? Probably, but he is also 5-6 inches taller. Is he more talented than McNeil? In my opinion he is not. He doesn't dribble as well, drive as well, or shoot as well. I don't think that is poking the bear at all. There are not 3 people in NKY that are more "talented" than McNeil, in my opinion. Not a knock on anyone else, just saying the kid is super talented.

 

Think of it this way, if McNeil had the height of Weyer and they both still had the same exact skills right now, who would you say is more talented? Again, not a knock, just saying McNeil is better in certain individual areas. But honestly, if NCC needs bill board material, I hope they would find something better than me saying McNeil is the most talented kid on the floor.

KingOfClutch33, agree with you that they are two great players. Can concur that M may be better dribble and slasher, but shooter might be arguable.

 

Season stats for M:

16.2 pts per game on

87/185 FGs @ 47.0%.

31/76 threes @ 40.8%.

70/80 FTs @ 87.5%.

 

Season stats for W:

21.6 pts per game on

200/394 FGs @ 50.8%.

41/102 threes @ 45.5%.

150/190 FTs @ 78.9%.

Hard to unquestionably declare M the superior shooter, don't you agree?

Edited March 2, 201610 yr by Oldercoach
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