That did solve opium addiction in Mao's China.

 

Bernie effect.

The title of the thread is a bit misleading.

 

Narcan is being sold upon request based on a protocol developed by pharmacies and approved by a doctor. You can not pick it up off the shelf. You won't visit a kiosk and purchase the product.

 

Pharmacists are able to dispense the product upon request without a prescription after providing the necessary educational information and documenting the sale. Each individual pharmacist has had to attend training and signed off on the protocol in order for the pharmacy to participate.

 

This is more of a political move than a business move. The announcement being made by Dewine and Portman should clue us in to this. As has been mentioned, this gives us the ability to maybe save a loved one. I am very interested to see the number of requests we get over the next few months.

 

I expect this will he handled similarly to how our stores give vaccination. It's legal to give them to the public but we have to have an established protocol with a collaborative care agreement with a doctor in order to do it. We use a particular Louisville doctor for that and patients have to fill out the vaccination paper to meet that protocol before we (pharmacists) review it to decide if the patient can receive the vaccination requested.

 

I expect the Narcan protocol process to follow the same process with the patient having to fill out the paperwork and us reviewing it before granting them access to a box of it. The doctor Kroger is using in this case is from Cincinnati as was stated in the original article so that is who has already approved the protocol that is going to be used. Kroger pharmacists have to meet the Narcan OTC training requirements set by the state in order to administer it. I'm curious to how Kroger is getting around this because they stated that it's starting this Monday but I know in Kentucky you have to meet the training requirements.

 

The Kroger pharmacy I currently work at (Morehead) isn't one of the ones who will be offering this service right now as the ones who will be are only the ones in NKY and Southwest Ohio. With that being said, I can guarantee that this will expand to all stores at some point so I expect we will be doing in the near future as well. I'm going to see what details of the protocol I can find when I'm back at work on Monday and if I can't find any (since I'm at a pharmacy not yet affected by this) I will contact some people back home in NKY to see what is happening as I'm sure they will have more info than I.

 

I'll give you an update on this if I can on Monday once I get some more info on how this whole thing is gonna work and not the vague details that have been given so far to the public.

I expect this will he handled similarly to how our stores give vaccination. It's legal to give them to the public but we have to have an established protocol with a collaborative care agreement with a doctor in order to do it. We use a particular Louisville doctor for that and patients have to fill out the vaccination paper to meet that protocol before we (pharmacists) review it to decide if the patient can receive the vaccination requested.

 

I expect the Narcan protocol process to follow the same process with the patient having to fill out the paperwork and us reviewing it before granting them access to a box of it. The doctor Kroger is using in this case is from Cincinnati as was stated in the original article so that is who has already approved the protocol that is going to be used. Kroger pharmacists have to meet the Narcan OTC training requirements set by the state in order to administer it. I'm curious to how Kroger is getting around this because they stated that it's starting this Monday but I know in Kentucky you have to meet the training requirements.

 

The Kroger pharmacy I currently work at (Morehead) isn't one of the ones who will be offering this service right now as the ones who will be are only the ones in NKY and Southwest Ohio. With that being said, I can guarantee that this will expand to all stores at some point so I expect we will be doing in the near future as well. I'm going to see what details of the protocol I can find when I'm back at work on Monday and if I can't find any (since I'm at a pharmacy not yet affected by this) I will contact some people back home in NKY to see what is happening as I'm sure they will have more info than I.

 

I'll give you an update on this if I can on Monday once I get some more info on how this whole thing is gonna work and not the vague details that have been given so far to the public.

 

As to what is in bold, it won't work for Narcan. No junkie is going to come in and review the paperwork and sign it for something that is going to ruin their high.

As to what is in bold, it won't work for Narcan. No junkie is going to come in and review the paperwork and sign it for something that is going to ruin their high.

 

The users won't be the ones purchasing Narcan. It will be friends and families of the addicts.

The users won't be the ones purchasing Narcan. It will be friends and families of the addicts.

 

Yep.

The users won't be the ones purchasing Narcan. It will be friends and families of the addicts.

 

I understand that. I gave Narcan for years in the back of an ambulance.

 

He stated that the patient would have to come in and sign for it like they do a flu vaccine. I was stating that isn't going to happen.

The users won't be the ones purchasing Narcan. It will be friends and families of the addicts.

 

I agree but The problem with that is most users don't od around family or freinds that are not users themselves. Only a small percentage will be using what they buy.

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Back to the original topic, the people that will see the benefits of these sales unfortunately will not be most users or their families. The pharmaceutical companies and retailers will reap way more benefits than any one! But go ahead and sell it. Maybe it will save the one out of a thousand that want too be saved.....

Just got a hold of what is going to be required to get over the counter Naloxone in this program. As I guessed before it will be similar to getting a flu shot where the patient or party representing the patient has to fill out a form and the pharmacist has to evaluate it to make sure they meet all any of the criteria needed to receive it. They will need to be counseled on variety of topics as well when they receive it. I'll post a bit more detail in a bit after I have some dinner.

You want some advice, buy stock in Narcan.

I agree but The problem with that is most users don't od around family or freinds that are not users themselves. Only a small percentage will be using what they buy.

 

Meh, you'd be surprised.

 

I was a bit brash when this thread started. Mostly just angry/disgusted that it's gotten this bad. I can't go a week, maybe two, without looking at jail tracker and finding someone I've known for 15 years was arrested for heroin. It disgusts me.

 

I get why they're selling it and I genuinely do believe you will see parents and families purchasing it. I personally know of some that will. I just hope they buy enough. I don't like to see anyone die especially not from something so dumb as drugs. I'm just tired of coddling and "saving" people. That's not what's happening, the only thing Narcan does is create a safety net for those that are willing to take the plunge. It does nothing after, there are no consequences.

 

IMO, an overdose needs to have consequences. Without consequence it's just a forgotten high that needs to be replaced as soon as possible.

 

I get why they're selling it and I genuinely do believe you will see parents and families purchasing it. I personally know of some that will. I just hope they buy enough. I don't like to see anyone die especially not from something so dumb as drugs. I'm just tired of coddling and "saving" people. That's not what's happening, the only thing Narcan does is create a safety net for those that are willing to take the plunge. It does nothing after, there are no consequences.

 

IMO, an overdose needs to have consequences. Without consequence it's just a forgotten high that needs to be replaced as soon as possible.

 

This I agree with

Meh, you'd be surprised.

 

I was a bit brash when this thread started. Mostly just angry/disgusted that it's gotten this bad. I can't go a week, maybe two, without looking at jail tracker and finding someone I've known for 15 years was arrested for heroin. It disgusts me.

 

I get why they're selling it and I genuinely do believe you will see parents and families purchasing it. I personally know of some that will. I just hope they buy enough. I don't like to see anyone die especially not from something so dumb as drugs. I'm just tired of coddling and "saving" people. That's not what's happening, the only thing Narcan does is create a safety net for those that are willing to take the plunge. It does nothing after, there are no consequences.

 

IMO, an overdose needs to have consequences. Without consequence it's just a forgotten high that needs to be replaced as soon as possible.

 

I understand everything you say. I would be lying if I said I didn't feel the same way from time to time. My question to you is, what if you son or daughter became addicted? Would you feel the same way?

Everyone needs to read Dreamland. After reading that book, we can all have a much more EDUCATED discussion on opiates, especially heroin. I would say that we need to have a multi-disciplinary recovery system. It takes 2 years for the brain's receptors to "reset." Even then, triggers cause relapse. The multi-disciplinary system, like the one that the University of Washington has attempted to resurrect, helps an addict through recovery by recovering the person. Making them healthier all over, not just working on the actual addiction. Insurance companies STILL refuse to cover this. Additionally, pharmaceutical companies need to be reigned in. Finally, the addict needs to want to do this. Many are at the point where they may not want to die, they just don't care if they do as long as they can score. Seriously, read the book. It is very well done.

Thanks for the recommendation. I just bought it.

I understand everything you say. I would be lying if I said I didn't feel the same way from time to time. My question to you is, what if you son or daughter became addicted? Would you feel the same way?

 

Simply put, they wouldn't. Unless someone forced it on them it wouldn't happen. This coming from a guy that doesn't even like taking Advil.