I am still trying to wrap my mind around your concept of cheating. I am somewhat befuddled as I know my school has been in full compliance with the rules set down as they are by the KHSAA. How can following the rules that are on the books be set down as cheating?

 

When you say your school is in full compliance, can you say that with 100% certainty? I can't say that Mayfield High School is complying with the rules 100% because I don't work there or enforce those rules for them.

My TWO CENTS?

 

Wilson Sears is a selfish MORON.

:thumb: Thanks..Again who is to say i don't have some facts to back up what I suggest..Anyway enough of that and I do appreciate your comments. What I'm most passionate about are kids and I don't like if I think they are being used or taken advantage of. I think we all probably agree on that though.

Did you say Ft Thomas lawyer..Hmmm, that explains everything...Just kidding and thanks again...

 

 

You just figuring out that I'm a lawyer from Ft. T? Heck I thought everyone on here knew that by now based on the length and content of a lot of my posts. I've been told so many times that I pontificate, I thought about moving to Vatican City:jump:

Am I correct in assuming that if my son is a Steinhauser Scholar at Trinity (98 or 99% on entrance exam), he cannot play football unless he foirfeits almost half of his academic scholarship?

The proposal concerning 8th and 9th graders is a no-brainer as far as I'm concerned and should have been passed long ago. Once you have played varsity for one school if you change you should be considered a transfer.

 

I can live with the financial aid proposals BUT since all students at public schools in effect get 100% tuition scholarships that are subsidised by tax dollars...

In looking at transfers from private to public or vice versa and how I was told it would work there is some concern.

 

Obviously, if you go from a public to a private school (or vice versa) all within the same county that would not mean a change of residence. For example, it is VERY, VERY feasible that you could attend Campbell County as an 8th grader, play varsity and then want to attend Bishop Brossart as a 9th grader and not ever change where you live.

 

According to my understanding and barring an appeal to the KHSAA, this player would have to sit out a year because they transferred with no change of residence.

 

Is that how you would see the transfer rules occurring in this situation???

Am I correct in assuming that if my son is a Steinhauser Scholar at Trinity (98 or 99% on entrance exam), he cannot play football unless he foirfeits almost half of his academic scholarship?

It is my understanding that the Steinhauser scholarships are at about 25 percent and that is why Dr. Mullin was willing to agree to the limitation. If I ever win the lottery, he'll be sorry he agreed to that. The limitation on merit based scholarships, to me, is completely without justification. The criteria for the merit based scholarships are completely objective and have nothing to do with athletics.

In looking at transfers from private to public or vice versa and how I was told it would work there is some concern.

 

Obviously, if you go from a public to a private school (or vice versa) all within the same county that would not mean a change of residence. For example, it is VERY, VERY feasible that you could attend Campbell County as an 8th grader, play varsity and then want to attend Bishop Brossart as a 9th grader and not ever change where you live.

 

According to my understanding and barring an appeal to the KHSAA, this player would have to sit out a year because they transferred with no change of residence.

 

Is that how you would see the transfer rules occurring in this situation???

My understanding is that you are correct. I support this change in the rules. It just makes the middle school kids subject to the same rules as the high school kids. I would prefer not letting the middle school kids play at all, but that is a different topic.

My understanding is that you are correct. I support this change in the rules. It just makes the middle school kids subject to the same rules as the high school kids. I would prefer not letting the middle school kids play at all, but that is a different topic.

Not letting MS kids play at all would be hard on small schools in non-contact sports. After the first day of the girls golf state tournament this past season, the leader in the clubhouse was a 6th grader.

 

From my understanding, KHSAA does NOT have control of that issue. There is a KRS statue passed by the legislature that prevents not allowing middle schoolers to tryout for the varsity team in a school district. That would have to be changed at the legislature level or the KY State Board of Education.

In looking at transfers from private to public or vice versa and how I was told it would work there is some concern.

 

Obviously, if you go from a public to a private school (or vice versa) all within the same county that would not mean a change of residence. For example, it is VERY, VERY feasible that you could attend Campbell County as an 8th grader, play varsity and then want to attend Bishop Brossart as a 9th grader and not ever change where you live.

 

According to my understanding and barring an appeal to the KHSAA, this player would have to sit out a year because they transferred with no change of residence.

 

Is that how you would see the transfer rules occurring in this situation???

 

Yes it is but since I made my original post I have decided that I have reservations about this. I can now see a less then honorable coach giving token playing time to middle schoolers just to "lock them in" to their school for their freshman year.

 

The more I think about it the more I think that they should just declare anyone below the 9th grade inelligible for high school sports.

Not letting MS kids play at all would be hard on small schools in non-contact sports. After the first day of the girls golf state tournament this past season, the leader in the clubhouse was a 6th grader.

 

From my understanding, KHSAA does NOT have control of that issue. There is a KRS statue passed by the legislature that prevents not allowing middle schoolers to tryout for the varsity team in a school district. That would have to be changed at the legislature level or the KY State Board of Education.

I have inquired on this one more than once. There is legislative prohibition on students being restricted while they are enrolled in 7th and 8th grade. There is no such restriction on 6th grade and under, which in my opinion (6th grade and below) needs to be restricted. And unfortunately, if a school needs a 6th grader or 5th grader to have enough kids for a squad, they may just need to decide not to have that team.

Yes it is but since I made my original post I have decided that I have reservations about this. I can now see a less then honorable coach giving token playing time to middle schoolers just to "lock them in" to their school for their freshman year.

 

The more I think about it the more I think that they should just declare anyone below the 9th grade inelligible for high school sports.

 

:thumb: :thumb:

 

No middle schooler should play high school sports, period.

 

If a school does not have enough to fill a team then that school

does not field a team, pretty simple.

 

The arguement that gets made about the middle schooler needing

to move up, because of how good they are or may be. Is ridiculus

athletes who are talented find better competition outside of school

on different types of select teams and leagues with appropriate aged

kids.

So, what I am hearing it is wrong to limit the competition for kids based on what school they attend, but okay to limit competition for kids based on their age in NON-CONTACT sports. If a kid can shoot a 38 on the golf course from the appropriate tees why in the world does it matter whether they are 8 or 18?

 

This position seems to be a little inconsistent for you guys. Why can't my son/daughter compete on the golf course and why do you want to limit their experiences? So what if a 11-year old can drill a 18-year old on the course, tennis courts or cross country.

 

I keep hearing over and over that it is NOT right to limit a kids choices and the parents can/should do that. Same thing here. If a parent can make the best choice for a child's education (and I agree with that) then a parent should be able to make the best choice on whether a kid can physically compete or not. Be consistent.

 

All Tell I agree that there will be some coaches that will take advantage of the situation. As there are some coaches that take advantage of their school's position and recruiting of players. That is going to happen no matter the rules. Crooks and dishonest people will always find a way around the rules.

I have inquired on this one more than once. There is legislative prohibition on students being restricted while they are enrolled in 7th and 8th grade. There is no such restriction on 6th grade and under, which in my opinion (6th grade and below) needs to be restricted. And unfortunately, if a school needs a 6th grader or 5th grader to have enough kids for a squad, they may just need to decide not to have that team.

Let me add that I believe there is restriction on contact sports, football, soccer, but not for those sports determined as non-contact sports.

It is my understanding that the Steinhauser scholarships are at about 25 percent and that is why Dr. Mullin was willing to agree to the limitation. If I ever win the lottery, he'll be sorry he agreed to that. The limitation on merit based scholarships, to me, is completely without justification. The criteria for the merit based scholarships are completely objective and have nothing to do with athletics.

 

They may be completely based on academics at Trinity but they are not at many of the other non-public schools in the state. I can and have provided links to the school websites where they even describe the awards criteria and some times it is based on (community services, discretion of the grantor, financial hardship, students with special interests in field of the corporate donor, etc.) Just a few examples and I am 100% against the split.

They may be completely based on academics at Trinity but they are not at many of the other non-public schools in the state. I can and have provided links to the school websites where they even describe the awards criteria and some times it is based on (community services, discretion of the grantor, financial hardship, students with special interests in field of the corporate donor, etc.) Just a few examples and I am 100% against the split.

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