I disagree with open enrollment making everyone on an equal level.

 

Whether right or wrong, I don't believe people will drive FROM the city to the country for a school. They very well may move to get away from the hustle and bustle but drive, I don't think so.

 

My school is 20-30 minutes drive from NKY. YET, when we have basketball, football, golf, etc with NKY schools, they whine and whine and whine about how far they had to drive to get here. It went as far as a group of Highlands' parents CHARTERED a bus for a MS basketball game so that they ALL did not have to drive the 25 minute drive. That was probably 8-9 years ago.

 

As far as schools being better, I don't agree that the private schools are so much better than most of the public schools. Public schools and this argument has gone on and on and I won't raise it in detailed again here...BUt public schools are set up to serve ALL STUDENTS, while private schools admittedingly, by their supporters here, are not.

 

I could make the claim that my school is so much better to prepare students to run farms than St. X or Trinity (I assume they don't have an active FFA program.). But that would be misleading and inaccurate. Simply because those two schools don't even try to teach kids how to run their family farms, like our program does. So, while some would say that my school is better at doing that, I don't think that is a fair statement because St. X and Trinity don't try and serve that type of student.

Wow....This is a really one-sided,biased thread.This either agree with private supporters or your an idiot attitude gets old after a while don't it.You guys need to add in the title "No public school opinions allowed!!!"I bet if a public supporter had a thread were he bashed the opinions of every private supporter that said anything he would'nt be on here much longer.IMO of course:thumb:

:thumb: No truer words could Have ever been spoken. You have learned quickly. There are just certain toes you can't step on around here.:ylsuper:

I disagree with open enrollment making everyone on an equal level.

 

Whether right or wrong, I don't believe people will drive FROM the city to the country for a school. They very well may move to get away from the hustle and bustle but drive, I don't think so.

 

My school is 20-30 minutes drive from NKY. YET, when we have basketball, football, golf, etc with NKY schools, they whine and whine and whine about how far they had to drive to get here. It went as far as a group of Highlands' parents CHARTERED a bus for a MS basketball game so that they ALL did not have to drive the 25 minute drive. That was probably 8-9 years ago.

 

As far as schools being better, I don't agree that the private schools are so much better than most of the public schools. Public schools and this argument has gone on and on and I won't raise it in detailed again here...BUt public schools are set up to serve ALL STUDENTS, while private schools admittedingly, by their supporters here, are not.

 

I could make the claim that my school is so much better to prepare students to run farms than St. X or Trinity (I assume they don't have an active FFA program.). But that would be misleading and inaccurate. Simply because those two schools don't even try to teach kids how to run their family farms, like our program does. So, while some would say that my school is better at doing that, I don't think that is a fair statement because St. X and Trinity don't try and serve that type of student.

 

I believe you are at Pendleton High correct? I live in Ft. Thomas and my father's farm is in Pendleton Co and I drive right past Pendleton High when I take the 27 route to get there (although I try to avoid 27 like the plague whenever possible). Pendleton High is every bit on the higher end of the 20-30 minute range, maybe more, and definitely more in the evenings with the traffic on 27. And there is no easy way to get from the AA to Pendleton High and avoid 27. You almost have to go to New Hope Rd, take it to 10, turn left on Concorde Caddo, get onto 22 into Falmouth and back track several miles on 27. Its just not easy to get to Pendleton from N. Ky and avoid long distances on 27. And 27 can be a mess at certain times of the day as I'm sure you've experienced.

 

I still think however that its not the distance the discourages people in the city from sending their schools to the rural schools. All those supposedly overbearing parents in society that we like to discuss would make that 30 plus minute drive in a heart beat if there was not a more attractive school (athletically and academically) closer to where they lived. You are right that few parents, if any, from N. Ky make that jaunt down 27 each day to send their kids to Pendleton. And while I won't and don't mean to degrade Pendleton High, with schools like Highlands, Beechwood, Dixie, CovCath, NewCath and many more offering good academics and athletics, who would drive past those schools to send their kids to Pendleton? All are at least equal to Pendleton County academically and athletically. You generally see parents willing to drive great distances only when their home schools are poor. The discipline problems in some Louisville schools and the bussing issue fall out started a trend that continues to send kids to X, T and Manual. Some noteworthy girls basketball players left the Franklin County schools to go to

LexCath. As told to me by some Franklin Co. football fans that I met, Franklin County has had support and committment issues in the past. A lack of committment to football in the Lex public schools and discipline problems in the public schools has played a large part in LexCath's success. You show me more than isolated instances of parents driving far distances to send their kids and in almost all of those instances, you'll find their home high schools being poor academically or athletically or both. And I fully understand the problems that the public schools have with being required to take all students and the difficulty in getting rid of them. But stopping open enrollment wouldn't solve those problems would they? Wouldn't it be like sweeping the dirt under the rug? The public schools must band together and work with the legislature to find other ways of remedying a problem that I admit is there. I support tough love. If the kids a problem, he's thrown out. If that means he ends up on the street and eventually in jail, well I'd rather see my tax dollars spent on more jails, than keeping the problem makers in school adversely affecting the education of children who want to be there and the morale of the public school teachers (which is probably more expensive to the tax payers in the long run). And welfare would be a thing of the past. I think if our society got back to the belief that you have to pull yourself up by the bootstraps, don't look for the fed or state govt to do it for you, the effect of not doing so on your own would be a great deterrent to the mindset so pervasive in society and in our public schools today. We've removed personal responsibility from the equation in society today. I know people think that it takes a village, but it doesn't. It takes two villagers (the parents) to raise a child. And if those two villagers know that the village will do it for them, then what motivation is there for the two of them to do it themselves? Particularly when those two villagers were raised by the village? Heck, why worry about contributing to the success of the village or raising the child, when the village will feed you enough to get by doing nothing and will raise your children for you?

 

I understand your desire that there be more community pride; that open enrollment be stopped and your logic behind such. And I agree with you about the community pride. I fully understand it as I have an immense amount of pride in my hometown and its high school. But I think in most instances, its the failure of the schools in certain areas that has caused parents to overlook the community pride in their decision to send their kids to a school in another community. With competition to get into top notch colleges becoming tougher, with sports on all levels becoming more serious (admittedly, sometimes to a fault), its only natural that parents doing what they think is the right thing, will want to put their children in the school system that they think will be best for their children. While some parents can be over the top, I'd much rather have parents be too concerned than parents who don't give a hoot at all about their kids and the school system educating their kids. Wouldn't you?

 

And by eliminating open enrollment, you remove the competition for students from the minds of the school administrators, which competition I believe, all in all, is a good thing. People from N. Ky don't send their kids to Pendleton because of one simple reason: there are many very attractive schools closer to home so they stay at home. If the administrators of the N. Ky schools don't keep making their schools better academically and athletically, they risk losing students to another school. If all of them in N. Ky lose that committment, then and only then would I logically expect Pendleton to start getting a bunch of students from N. Ky and if it comes to that, the 30 plus minute drive won't be an impediment at all. Heck, there would be enough of them doing it that perhaps there would be a bus chartered on a daily basis heading to Pendleton:ylsuper: .

I agree Leatherneck. I don't think open enrollment would help Pendleton County. Too many attractive schools in NKY, both public and private.

 

Yet, open enrollment is pushed by some on here as the ultimate equalizer and I don't think that is accurate at all. In metro areas, Lex, NKY, Louisville, Owensborro, maybe. But for the remainder of the state, wouldn't change a thing.

I agree Leatherneck. I don't think open enrollment would help Pendleton County. Too many attractive schools in NKY, both public and private.

 

Yet, open enrollment is pushed by some on here as the ultimate equalizer and I don't think that is accurate at all. In metro areas, Lex, NKY, Louisville, Owensborro, maybe. But for the remainder of the state, wouldn't change a thing.

 

 

I've never read anyone on here push it as the great equalizer to be honest with you. I've read a lot of people here state that those schools that do not permit open enrollment should not complain about those schools that do, which I believe is a fair comment.

 

And I do think that open enrollment is a great way to put pressure on school administrations to place greater committment in those areas that are important to parents in order to remove any incentive to transfer. Highlands would not get out of district students if the home schools of those kids were doing their jobs in most instances. If you looked at the students that have transferred to Highlands and the schools that they left from, you'd see what I'm talking about. Much has been made about the good football players that have attended Highlands that otherwise would have attended Simon Kenton. Is it Highlands fault or the administration's fault at Simon Kenton for allowing their football program to falter? You know my answer. The CovCath kids that transferred to Highlands did so for a myriad of reasons. One of which was dissatisfaction of some parents of Coach Ray (a dissatisfaction shared by some posters on here by the way, but not me). While I often questioned the offensive play calling at CovCath, I still believed Coach Ray was a top notch coach, one of the best in Ky. Yes, there will always be parents that think the grass is greener on the other side even if the grass is green on their own side of the fence. But enacting laws that infringe the rights of 99% of the parents just to address the wacky 1% is not the answer. While Pendleton County may not attract many out of district students, if it improves its committment to those programs (academically and athletically) that are important to parents and kids, they won't lose any kids; and if all schools did that, we'd see a natural reduction to students attending out of district schools as opposed to legislative mandated reduction. Its the simple continue to improve or fall behind lesson.

I've never read anyone on here push it as the great equalizer to be honest with you. I've read a lot of people here state that those schools that do not permit open enrollment should not complain about those schools that do, which I believe is a fair comment.

 

And I do think that open enrollment is a great way to put pressure on school administrations to place greater committment in those areas that are important to parents in order to remove any incentive to transfer. Highlands would not get out of district students if the home schools of those kids were doing their jobs in most instances. If you looked at the students that have transferred to Highlands and the schools that they left from, you'd see what I'm talking about. Much has been made about the good football players that have attended Highlands that otherwise would have attended Simon Kenton. Is it Highlands fault or the administration's fault at Simon Kenton for allowing their football program to falter? You know my answer. The CovCath kids that transferred to Highlands did so for a myriad of reasons. One of which was dissatisfaction of some parents of Coach Ray (a dissatisfaction shared by some posters on here by the way, but not me). While I often questioned the offensive play calling at CovCath, I still believed Coach Ray was a top notch coach, one of the best in Ky. Yes, there will always be parents that think the grass is greener on the other side even if the grass is green on their own side of the fence. But enacting laws that infringe the rights of 99% of the parents just to address the wacky 1% is not the answer. While Pendleton County may not attract many out of district students, if it improves its committment to those programs (academically and athletically) that are important to parents and kids, they won't lose any kids; and if all schools did that, we'd see a natural reduction to students attending out of district schools as opposed to legislative mandated reduction. Its the simple continue to improve or fall behind lesson.

Yes and no.

 

For some it is exactly what you say.

 

For others it is not. Public schools MUST take ALL kids that live in that community no matter what they are like. If they are returning from prison for selling drugs and are under 18 and want to return to school, then we take them. AND SHOULD because that kid needs a chance to.

 

And yet, no all school districts, especially privates and some publics, face that dilemma. And parents don't want their kids to be around that environment and look for other school districts.

 

Saying nothing bad about any school district on here and congrats to all of Highlands/Cov Cath success (wait for it cause you not it's coming ) BUT would you agree that the type of students (and that is BEYOND the control of the school districts) that those two receive and the students that a Newport or Holmes receives is different?

 

My point has consistently been that both private and public are good and NEEDED. We should never adopt a system that gets rid of both. I am all for a voucher system that allows tax dollars to be used by the parents for private school education. (And yet some on here accuse me of being anti-private school.) My point is that they are of different breeds. And I think that leads to a needed different level of competition, where kids are asked to compete against kids that are similar to their situation and not trying to overcome societal issues that they have no control over.

BTW, leatherneck, I have enjoyed the truly civil discussion we have had on this topic. Thank you for not calling me names.:thumb:

Yes and no.

 

For some it is exactly what you say.

 

For others it is not. Public schools MUST take ALL kids that live in that community no matter what they are like. If they are returning from prison for selling drugs and are under 18 and want to return to school, then we take them. AND SHOULD because that kid needs a chance to.

 

And yet, no all school districts, especially privates and some publics, face that dilemma. And parents don't want their kids to be around that environment and look for other school districts.

 

Saying nothing bad about any school district on here and congrats to all of Highlands/Cov Cath success (wait for it cause you not it's coming ) BUT would you agree that the type of students (and that is BEYOND the control of the school districts) that those two receive and the students that a Newport or Holmes receives is different?

 

My point has consistently been that both private and public are good and NEEDED. We should never adopt a system that gets rid of both. I am all for a voucher system that allows tax dollars to be used by the parents for private school education. (And yet some on here accuse me of being anti-private school.) My point is that they are of different breeds. And I think that leads to a needed different level of competition, where kids are asked to compete against kids that are similar to their situation and not trying to overcome societal issues that they have no control over.

 

I try not to get into the name calling stuff, and if I've done so in the past, I apologize (but must have had a dang good reason to do so:banana: ).

 

I do disagree with you on the kids deserve a chance mentality. We give kids way too many chances in society. I believe we carefully and fully explain to kids what is expected of them and what will not be permitted, and they themselves decide their fate. I'm not advocation that we throw every kid out of school for minor transgressions, but when they become disruptive of the academic process, they are GONE. If that puts them on the street and further into a life of crime, that's for law enforcement authorities to handle, not teachers. If they end up in jail for the rest of their lives and I have to pay the necessary taxes to keep them their, so be it. At least they are not hindering those kids that want to get an education and those teachers that want to teach an education. Teachers have become, some willingly some begrudgingly, social workers and that is WRONG! The sooner we stop finding excuses for kids and their parents and make them responsible for their actions the better. And I don't buy into the trap that kids from Newport are necessarily different than kids from Ft. Thomas. They are different because we permit them to be different. We allow them to achieve less because we tell them they are expected to achieve less because of their disadvantages.

 

This country was heavily populated by immigrants that had less than what the kids from Newport have. The immigrants didn't have a social network taking care of them. If they didn't work their tails off, they and their loved ones starved. How did they ever make it (typed with sarcasm dripping off my fingers)? Life was tough for some, and I'm sure some innocent children suffered because of their parents, but the children came to understand the need for education if they didn't want to work 2 and 3 jobs in filthy mines and factories like their parents did. They understood how education could be the saving grace, not something they had to do until they turned 16. They did not disrupt and risk getting thrown out of school, because that meant living the same grueling lives that their parents had lived.

 

Its time we kick some kids in the butt, tell them to ship up or shape out, and if they decide to squander the opportunity, they will be responsible for their failure, not society, not their teachers, not you and not me.

 

And yes, I do believe that if Sears spent as much time organizing the supers to take the above ideas to the legislature, instead of worrying about how many state championships the privates won, he could accomplish those changes. And if he couldn't effectuate the change, he should work on changing the people we elect to the legislature instead of whining about all the disadvantages the public schools have.

I agree with what you said but it is not the reality that we are faced with. It is the legislators who say that public schools will take all students. And I do mean ALL.

 

I agree that it might be a better way of dealing with schools but again, that is not the reality that we are forced to deal with. Public schools do not have the luxury of doing it our way but the way of Frankfort and the politicians that are sent there.

 

I think, as most of us feel about DC, schools feel that they are trying to find a way to make the system work even though it doesn't. Last time, it resulted in a group of school systems going together, filing the lawsuit in the 90's or late 80's that led to KERA. Hopefully, this does not get to that point because that would be not good.

 

I agree with alot of what you said on how it should be but also know that reality is not at all like that.

LBBC, I pm'd you. LN

LBBC, I pm'd you. LN

The shortest post I have ever seen you put on here..:thumb:

The shortest post I have ever seen you put on here..:thumb:

 

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

The shortest post I have ever seen you put on here..:thumb:

 

 

If I could still go back and edit it I would turn it into a two pager:ylsuper:

If I could still go back and edit it I would turn it into a two pager:ylsuper:

:laugh: :laugh:

Is there a limit to the number of years that a kid can play high school in Kentucky ?

 

Do the new proposals punish a 7th & 8th grader for playing varsity , jv only or both