Is there a limit to the number of years that a kid can play high school in Kentucky ?

 

Do the new proposals punish a 7th & 8th grader for playing varsity , jv only or both

7th and 8th graders cannot play varsity football. They have 8 semesters of eligibility to play high school sports once they graduate from the 8th grade. I believe that if an 8th grader played jv or freshman football, they would still have 8 semesters of eligibility remaining for high school football. BUT YOU SHOULD DEFINITELY TALK TO YOUR HIGH SCHOOL PRINCIPAL OR AD AND HAVE THEM REQUEST AN OPINION FROM THE KHSAA IN WRITING. Do not try to interpret the KHSAA by laws yourself. Have your school get an opinion in writing from the KHSAA so there is never any doubt.

Heres the thing about Wilson Sears and Somerset. If you don't live in their district you can attend their "Independent" school system for a fee. I would think, if it is a fee, it would be called tuition. Over the years Somerset has had several athletes who lived in the Pulaski or Southwestern district attend Somerset, And pay tuition. Most of the well heeled students most always lived out in the County. Somerset has lost kids to the county when they entered the 9th grade but over the last 2 years they have gained several promising middle schoolers as well. IMO Somerset operates like a private except they don't have the success that most privates do. When they have lost to a larger school, size is always the excuse. For years they have always targeted the best young athletes and included them in their AAU, club or All star teams in hope of getting them to switch. I am a public school person. Always have been, always will be. I have family who attend a private school. Targeting young athletes will always go on. It does in public schools as well as private schools. I agree that open enrollment is the answer. As a parent I think anyone should have the right to send their child to any school for any reason. That being said were going to pass the offering plate now......

 

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Yes you can attend Somerset if you pay tuition--to the county schools. Somerset does not set the fees nor limit the amount of kids that can attend their school. This is all set by the Pulaski County School system--all fees are paid to them and there is a strict limit on the number of kids from the county that are allowed to attend the city schools. As for success Somerset has more than held its own against the two larger county schools with an overall winning record against both in the three major boys sports over the last 13 years in which there has been 3 schools in the county--along with the best test scores of the 3. :thumb:

how many years can a kid play high school basketball? Wihout being held back but just started at a very young age because of a small school.

If this passes, the KHSAA better have a whole bunch of money in their legal war chest.

So, what I am hearing it is wrong to limit the competition for kids based on what school they attend, but okay to limit competition for kids based on their age in NON-CONTACT sports. If a kid can shoot a 38 on the golf course from the appropriate tees why in the world does it matter whether they are 8 or 18?

 

This position seems to be a little inconsistent for you guys. Why can't my son/daughter compete on the golf course and why do you want to limit their experiences? So what if a 11-year old can drill a 18-year old on the course, tennis courts or cross country.

 

I keep hearing over and over that it is NOT right to limit a kids choices and the parents can/should do that. Same thing here. If a parent can make the best choice for a child's education (and I agree with that) then a parent should be able to make the best choice on whether a kid can physically compete or not. Be consistent.

 

All Tell I agree that there will be some coaches that will take advantage of the situation. As there are some coaches that take advantage of their school's position and recruiting of players. That is going to happen no matter the rules. Crooks and dishonest people will always find a way around the rules.

 

Sorry I have to disagree in that I believe high school sports should only be played by those students actually enrolled in the high school.

 

I don't want a 7th grader to be Prom Queen of the high school no matter how popular, attractive, and kind she is to animals. I don't want an 8th grader to be Editor of the High School paper even if he can produce a 30 page paper daily. I don't want a 6th grader on the high school Debate team even if she could top Bill O'Reilly. I don't want a 5th grader taking all the photos for the Yearbook even if she is a better photographer than every kid enrolled in the high school.

 

And I don't want any of them on the Tennis team, the Golf team, the Cross country team either despite their talent level. If that means their is no golf team or cross country team then so be it. Many schools do not have a swim team, or a soccer team, or a football team, or track team, or a wrestling team. I wish every high school could field a team in every high school sport but thats just the way it is.

Sorry I have to disagree in that I believe high school sports should only be played by those students actually enrolled in the high school.

 

I don't want a 7th grader to be Prom Queen of the high school no matter how popular, attractive, and kind she is to animals. I don't want an 8th grader to be Editor of the High School paper even if he can produce a 30 page paper daily. I don't want a 6th grader on the high school Debate team even if she could top Bill O'Reilly. I don't want a 5th grader taking all the photos for the Yearbook even if she is a better photographer than every kid enrolled in the high school.

 

And I don't want any of them on the Tennis team, the Golf team, the Cross country team either despite their talent level. If that means their is no golf team or cross country team then so be it. Many schools do not have a swim team, or a soccer team, or a football team, or track team, or a wrestling team. I wish every high school could field a team in every high school sport but thats just the way it is.

So it is okay to discriminate based on age or grade level but we get up in arms when we try to create different classifications of schools.

 

I don't buy it at all. Kids good enough then let them play up.

 

The #1 priority of schools is academics. And if a kid is intelligent enough, we let them skip grades. So it is okay for our #1 purpose but not okay for the sacred cow of athletics. No deal for me, Howie.

Do you honestly want to label that discrimination?

Do you honestly want to label that discrimination?

Don't we have laws in this country to prevent age discrimination? All of the arguments I have heard is simply based upon they don't want young people participating.

 

The contact sports has a physical issue and I understand that.

I can understand the medical issues with cross country.

 

But tennis, golf, don't. And it all boils down to age.

I don't view it as discrimination to limit participation in extra curricular activities, including sports, to students of your school, who are in good academic standing. Isn't that the idea with scholastic sports in general? A competition between opposing schools, where members of your school are representing the rest of the student body, their peers, in their particular sport of choice?

 

How can a 6th grader rightfully represent a student body he is not a member of? Of course we could make exceptions for the middle school athlete who excells, and allow him to play up if we so choose. But that is exactly what it is, an exception and choosing not to do so is certainly not discriminatory in my book.

I don't view it as discrimination to limit participation in extra curricular activities, including sports, to students of your school, who are in good academic standing. Isn't that the idea with scholastic sports in general? A competition between opposing schools, where members of your school are representing the rest of the student body, their peers, in their particular sport of choice?

 

How can a 6th grader rightfully represent a student body he is not a member of? Of course we could make exceptions for the middle school athlete who excells, and allow him to play up if we so choose. But that is exactly what it is, an exception and choosing not to do so is certainly not discriminatory in my book.

Understand your point but the problem with many schools, are they need the middle school age participation, to help with numbers in the sports they are allowed to play. I would imagine some schools, with limited enrollment numbers, rely on that age to help complete a roster, which is essential for practice and games.

I don't view it as discrimination to limit participation in extra curricular activities, including sports, to students of your school, who are in good academic standing. Isn't that the idea with scholastic sports in general? A competition between opposing schools, where members of your school are representing the rest of the student body, their peers, in their particular sport of choice?

 

How can a 6th grader rightfully represent a student body he is not a member of? Of course we could make exceptions for the middle school athlete who excells, and allow him to play up if we so choose. But that is exactly what it is, an exception and choosing not to do so is certainly not discriminatory in my book.

So a 6th grader at Augusta where K-12 grade all is in one building doesn't represent the school?

 

Also for girls golf, the state runnerup this year was a 6th grader. The 3rd place finisher was a 7th grader. Why are they penalized for being better than every other golfer in the state save a junior from Russellville because of their age?

 

There is no physical threat to them for playing golf. MS band students move up to the HS pep band all the time. MS/Elementary age children play roles in the HS play that call for children. Are we going to limit that too?

Are these sports "high school" sports? If so, then they are not members of the high school student body and have no inherent rights to participate in the activities of the high school, which is a privilege of being a student of the high school.

 

Those you mention are exceptions as I stated above. I'm not arguing for or against allowing them to participate and aside from contact sports (which we all agree on) I'm not even sure how I feel about it. But labeling it discrimination is a misnomer when in actuality, allowing them to play up is a break from the norm, and is an exception to the spirit of the competition, IMO.

 

Maybe I am just being dense, but I just fail to see the relevance of your arguments about students in the classroom, drama and theater, and band in accordance with the discussion of sports competitions, and the need for them to be governed by the KHSAA. To me it is apples and oranges.

Are these sports "high school" sports? If so, then they are not members of the high school student body and have no inherent rights to participate in the activities of the high school, which is a privilege of being a student of the high school.

 

Those you mention are exceptions as I stated above. I'm not arguing for or against allowing them to participate and aside from contact sports (which we all agree on) I'm not even sure how I feel about it. But labeling it discrimination is a misnomer when in actuality, allowing them to play up is a break from the norm, and is an exception to the spirit of the competition, IMO.

 

Maybe I am just being dense, but I just fail to see the relevance of your arguments about students in the classroom, drama and theater, and band in accordance with the discussion of sports competitions, and the need for them to be governed by the KHSAA. To me it is apples and oranges.

I can see and grudgingly understand your bolded part.

 

Not looking at it from just a KHSAA viewpoint. This was discussed in our school district because the MS wanted to cease this for one sport. As a result, the point was made up that then if we are going to hold athletics to one standard we should hold ALL school extracurricular activities to the same standard. That was the basis of my comment.

 

Also, not sure that this is JUST a KHSAA issue. There is a KRS statue that states that no body outside of the KY Board of Education or it's designated agency may make a rule that prohibits anyone from trying out for a varsity team. Would the Legislature have to act on it would be a question for our legal experts here on BGP?

 

In essence, the MS site-based cannot tell a MS student they cannot tryout for the HS team.

The #1 priority of schools is academics. And if a kid is intelligent enough, we let them skip grades. So it is okay for our #1 purpose but not okay for the sacred cow of athletics. No deal for me, Howie.

And when students skip grades they don't stay in high school for 5, 6 or 7 years. No one is suggesting that the experience of high school sports be taken away from anyone, just that it be high school students that participate.

And when students skip grades they don't stay in high school for 5, 6 or 7 years. No one is suggesting that the experience of high school sports be taken away from anyone, just that it be high school students that participate.

So you would prefer to tell teams they cannot compete because they use MSers and limit the pool of HS's being able to field teams?

 

You can say they need to recruit better within their school, but I am sorry sometimes for smaller schools you just simply don't have the bodies. (Notice I did not say players I said bodies. Silver Grove girls team is an excellent example. They did not have enough players.)

 

I don't have the exact figures for the whole region for girls golf, but I do know that out of the top 6 teams, 3 teams would not have been able to FIELD a team without MSers. Out of the 11 teams, I would guesstimate that 5 would not have fielded a team. I am NOT talking about being competitive, but talking about fielding a team.

 

Campbell County HS has had a horrendous problem with trying to get 5 HS girls out to play golf. They are a 4A school with over 1500 students and cannot get 5 HS girls to play.