June 25, 201511 yr To me, it's whether it should be on government property. I don't care if you want to sell it, or fly from your car antennae, or hang it on the front of your house. If you choose to display it, don't expect an invite for fatback and collard greens. It doesn't need to banned for sale. But that's up to individual retailers. Fixed that for you.
June 25, 201511 yr To be clear, is the argument that the flag shouldn't be used on government property or that no one should be allowed to have one period? The argument I am in I that it shouldn't be used on government property....There seem to be some who are taking that and running away with it down the "you want to ban it" road at full speed.
June 25, 201511 yr Sure it is. But this idea of "well if you aren't gonna be mad about that, you can't be mad about this" is tired... I don't know about you, but I see WAY more Confederate flags than I do people disrespecting the Stars and Stripes... Which may be because of your opinion about what constitutes disrespect...similar argument, different flag, no ?
June 25, 201511 yr They both pretty much represent the same thing. The "stars and bars" is one of the later actually confederate states government flags. The "Bonnie blue" is an early flag that was flown on some confederate state capitals and army units. I guess my original point was...if these flags were hanging on someone's house most probably wouldn't give it a second thought...most wouldn't know what they were...might even shrug their shoulders and not think it a big deal. We have become so accustomed to seeing the "confederate battle flag" as the representation of the confederacy/south, there are actually many flags that were flown at that time. Again...for the eleventybillionth time...what you want to hang from your house is one thing. What a state/government chooses to fly from taxpayer funded entities is a whole 'nother thing.
June 25, 201511 yr The argument I am in I that it shouldn't be used on government property....There seem to be some who are taking that and running away with it down the "you want to ban it" road at full speed. And to be fair and balanced (my middle name), there are some on the far, far left that would like to see it. Just as there are those on the far, far right doing their Chicken Little thing.
June 25, 201511 yr Sure it is. But this idea of "well if you aren't gonna be mad about that, you can't be mad about this" is tired... I don't know about you, but I see WAY more Confederate flags than I do people disrespecting the Stars and Stripes... Just to be clear, I've been mad about the way that the American Flag has been treated WAY before any of this other mess became politically correct. Too often we take it for granted and assume we are not being disrespectful, those assumptions are based out of a position of ignorance of the expectations rather than a blatant disregard. Edited June 25, 201511 yr by BirdBrain Spelling
June 25, 201511 yr Author Again...for the eleventybillionth time...what you want to hang from your house is one thing. What a state/government chooses to fly from taxpayer funded entities is a whole 'nother thing. Hanging from a government building was never part of my original post though. I asked would one be offended by either of these flags in the way which you stated you (and others) are when seeing the confederate battle flag on a house, sticker on a car, etc.
June 25, 201511 yr Which may be because of your opinion about what constitutes disrespect...similar argument, different flag, no ? How does wearing an American flag t-shirt equate to flying a flag that represents bigotry?
June 25, 201511 yr How does wearing an American flag t-shirt equate to flying a flag that represents bigotry? Because it disrespects a symbol that stand for equality ?
June 25, 201511 yr Hanging from a government building was never part of my original post though. I asked would one be offended by either of these flags in the way which you stated you (and others) are when seeing the confederate battle flag on a house, sticker on a car, etc. While I may not be offended, it's because don't know why they would be offensive. Had racists and rednecks picked one of them to be the symbol of their preference to segregation, inequality and such, then yes...would offend me. It's not the flag itself It is what it now represents due to the very proliferate, full display use of it in rallies, propaganda, etc.
June 25, 201511 yr How about throwing the American Flag on the ground and walking on it or setting it on fire in protest of anything...that's disrespectful right? That happens all of the time...no one seems to care and if they do and say anything they are called a zealot or worse. No one seems to care? That's all I've seen on Facebook for months. I've seen a lot more care than those who filmed it or did it.
June 25, 201511 yr The difference is…the Stars and Stripes represents freedom no matter what disrespect may be shown. The Stars and Bars represents disrespect.
June 25, 201511 yr To be clear, is the argument that the flag shouldn't be used on government property or that no one should be allowed to have one period? My argument has always been about this flag on the Capitol grounds.
June 25, 201511 yr While I may not be offended, it's because don't know why they would be offensive. Had racists and rednecks picked one of them to be the symbol of their preference to segregation, inequality and such, then yes...would offend me. It's not the flag itself It is what it now represents due to the very proliferate, full display use of it in rallies, propaganda, etc. Much like a swastika. The word swastika comes from the Sanskrit svastika, which means “good fortune” or “well-being." The motif (a hooked cross) appears to have first been used in Neolithic Eurasia, perhaps representing the movement of the sun through the sky. To this day it is a sacred symbol in Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, and Odinism.
June 25, 201511 yr Unfortunately, individual opinions are not the question, it is part of the USC United States Code - Chapter 4 - Article 1: Respect for flag No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor. a. The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property. b. The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise. c. The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free. d. The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general. e. The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way. f. The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling. g. The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature. h. The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything. i. The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown. j. No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart. k. The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning I actually wrote a letter to Rep. Anne Northup while I was in college about amending the Flag Code to more accurately reflect the free speech and free expression principles enshrined in the Constitution of these United States rather than try to curtail any such expression, especially when some prohibited behaviors are used as a sign of devotion and affection for this country. There's a reason violations of the Flag Code carry no penalties.
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