June 25, 201511 yr There was one from the mid 2000's here in KY. One of our local judges represented the girl in this case when he was an attorney. USATODAY.com - Student settles over Confederate dress Jacqueline Duty, holding her Confederate flag-themed prom dress, speaks to the press outside the Federal Courthouse in Lexington, Ky. in 2004. By Pablo Alcala, The Herald Leader via AP That's stranger than fiction. I'm 99% certain I went to elementary school with her.
June 25, 201511 yr What's your point? That a broke dude living in a basement apartment that sticks an American flag up in his window rather than buy curtains should bother me? That it should bother me as much as a symbol of racism so pernicious and deeply ingrained that it led men to treason? I guess it depends on what you have done in your life to protect that dude living in a basement….my guess is that we have had some different reasons for our feelings about this particular flag, just like everyone else with the Stars and Bars. It's cool that it doesn't bother you, don't worry about, there's lots of people out there doing their thing so you can freely express your opinion and feelings, no harm no foul. Edited June 25, 201511 yr by BirdBrain
June 25, 201511 yr So wearing my shirt with the flag of my country (which stands for Freedom and Equality, btw) because I'm proud of it is the same as wearing a shirt or flying a flag that represents racism and bigotry? Is that what you're saying? Nope, I'm saying you are free to choose, just that I have more and varied feelings about our current state than our past.
June 25, 201511 yr I had this discussion with my veteran father just a few days ago. I agree that most don't know or follow proper flag ettiquite. However, the confederate flag issue is still quite a different ball of wax. Could be, but no less important to the individual in some cases, no ? My point is not to diminish any individual's feelings about the Stars and Bars, it's theirs, they can own it, but not respecting our current flag may hold very significant feelings for others as well. I'm not trying to compare the politics of a flag, it's the individual feelings that people associate with symbols that is of issue.
June 25, 201511 yr I get it if you are a civil war historian and some preserved artifacts are your thing, but let's be honest. The vast majority of the folks I've come across that are displaying the Confederate Flag on their front bumpers are not going to be confused for historians or displaying it for that reason. I cringe every time I see one. I do as well. It truly makes me uncomfortable when I see it.
June 25, 201511 yr There comes a time when the warped impression overcomes the original intent. If the acts committed in the name of loyalty to that flag or symbol are so heinous that they are condemned, so too should the flag or symbol. I have no issue with that. The immediate issue is that I believe the lives of 9 people are being exploited in the political arena over a symbol. This is not a new argument, but the politics involved make it very distasteful. If we cared so much about how bad the symbol was before, why didn't it get resolved ? Why didn't Walmart, Target and Ebay stop selling this symbol of hatred prior to it being the most current politically correct thing ? Does that mean that any and all retailers that didn't renounce this symbol prior should be boycotted ? I question the genuineness of some responses in this matter, if it was a symbol of bigotry and racism last Wednesday then where did they stand on the issue then ?
June 25, 201511 yr Anyone who feels the swell of pride and patriotism at the sight of the Confederate flag in equal measure to what they feel for the American flag is whack.
June 25, 201511 yr I have no issue with that. The immediate issue is that I believe the lives of 9 people are being exploited in the political arena over a symbol. This is not a new argument, but the politics involved make it very distasteful. If we cared so much about how bad the symbol was before, why didn't it get resolved ? Why didn't Walmart, Target and Ebay stop selling this symbol of hatred prior to it being the most current politically correct thing ? Does that mean that any and all retailers that didn't renounce this symbol prior should be boycotted ? I question the genuineness of some responses in this matter, if it was a symbol of bigotry and racism last Wednesday then where did they stand on the issue then ? Sometimes it takes something extreme for people to see the light. I mean, at least we haven't let it get to the point that it got to in recognizing that the Holocaust was real.
June 25, 201511 yr Sometimes it takes something extreme for people to see the light. I mean, at least we haven't let it get to the point that it got to in recognizing that the Holocaust was real. I get it, but don't these huge retailers see what a message it sends if you truly believe this ? Sam Walton made a fortune off the poor south
June 25, 201511 yr That's stranger than fiction. I'm 99% certain I went to elementary school with her. The prom was at Russell High School on May 1, 2004. It would have been back in the 90's for you in elementary school.
June 26, 201511 yr So wearing my shirt with the flag of my country (which stands for Freedom and Equality, btw) because I'm proud of it is the same as wearing a shirt or flying a flag that represents racism and bigotry? Is that what you're saying? I agree with you. And people have to see its a U.S. Flag "code", it's not a law! One represents the country, the other repsresents slavery! I really don't see how the two are even in the same universe let all the same conversation. Does it bother me when I see people wearing the U.S. Flag, even a bikini? NO! Does it bother me when see people burning the flag? Yes! But, the freedom gives them that right to do so. The stars and bars stands for one thing, slavery. Does it bother me if people wear the stars and bars or have it one their car? Not at all. Does in bother me that the stars and bars are on a flag pole on state or any government property? Yes.
June 26, 201511 yr I agree with you. And people have to see its a U.S. Flag "code", it's not a law! One represents the country, the other repsresents slavery! I really don't see how the two are even in the same universe let all the same conversation. Does it bother me when I see people wearing the U.S. Flag, even a bikini? NO! Does it bother me when see people burning the flag? Yes! But, the freedom gives them that right to do so. The stars and bars stands for one thing, slavery. Does it bother me if people wear the stars and bars or have it one their car? Not at all. Does in bother me that the stars and bars are on a flag pole on state or any government property? Yes. Does this flag bother you?
June 26, 201511 yr Does this flag offend you? Again, what does that, or your question have to do with my commented that you originally quoted me on?
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