No because I don't think an entry level position in LE requires that much nor do I think paying more equals better officers.

 

I agree more pay doesn't necessarily mean better officers but entry level LE requires A LOT!

 

Let's face it, the officers most likely to be the subject of these national debates are largely first line patrol officers. In other words, the entry level guys even though many of them may have a ton of experience.

What do you mean it doesn't require that much?

 

I didn't finish my thought properly. I meant to say I don't think an entry level LE needs to require a bachelor degree.

 

I didn't finish my thought properly. I meant to say I don't think an entry level LE needs to require a bachelor degree.

 

I don't either.

 

Although I think education or military experience should be something that police departments prefer.

I don't either.

 

Although I think education or military experience should be something that police departments prefer.

 

That brings up a thought and it may already be the case. But I think former military members should get preference in highering for LE.

I am 100% in favor of paying more taxes to pay cops more as long as the people who are being chosen for the jobs are meeting the higher standards. Absolutely.

 

Now you've gone and done it.

Now you've gone and done it.

 

I'm not sure the people of higher education/standards, want to have to use a gun for a living.

 

I'm not sure the people of higher education/standards, want to have to use a gun for a living.

 

Not for the money most police make right now they don't.

We were a violent society many moons ago and were a more violent society today. Now everyone has a Facebook and cell phone cam to capture it. Add that in with the fact that the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer and you have a lot of upset unstable people.

 

I disagree with the bolded point. We are only more violent in terms of the fact that our population has grown. As an individual you are no more or less likely to have something bad happen to you at random now as then.

 

But as I mentioned either in this thread or one of the others, some pretty darned heinous stuff went on back in the "good 'ol days." Just thumb through your local paper's historical archives with the thought in mind of how much of that stuff would be part of the 24-hour news cycle had it happened today.

US is #2 in the world in per capita Drug Deaths...and by far the leader in number of yearly Drug Deaths.

 

I wonder of the # of people that attack the police or are killed by the police each year, how many of them are under the influence of some outside stimulant?

I disagree with the bolded point. We are only more violent in terms of the fact that our population has grown. As an individual you are no more or less likely to have something bad happen to you at random now as then. But as I mentioned either in this thread or one of the others' date=' some pretty darned heinous stuff went on back in the "good 'ol days." Just thumb through your local paper's historical archives with the thought in mind of how much of that stuff would be part of the 24-hour news cycle had it happened today.[/quote']

 

How many school shootings was there back in your high school days?

How many school shootings was there back in your high school days?

 

Like I have that answer off the top of my head.

 

That stuff happened — there just wasn't the 24-hour news cycle to elevate local and regional stories to national attention back then. It's disingenuous to act as though bad stuff never happened because you're ignoring the way the news is disseminated now.

 

I bet each one of the 120 counties in this state has at least 2 or 3 unsolved murders on the books from the 70s and earlier.

Like I have that answer off the top of my head. That stuff happened — there just wasn't the 24-hour news cycle to elevate local and regional stories to national attention back then. It's disingenuous to act as though bad stuff never happened because you're ignoring the way the news is disseminated now. I bet each one of the 120 counties in this state has at least 2 or 3 unsolved murders on the books from the 70s and earlier.

 

Well I don't know when you graduated but just to give you an example from my generation the first time I was exposed to it was around 1996 when a kid brought a gun to Ryle. Assuming you graduated before me, I bet it was even more rare, def nothing like we see today.

 

Elementary kids also weren't playing GTA 5 after school back in our days. I disagree with you, society is more violent and unstable today.

How many school shootings was there back in your high school days?

 

You might be surprised. Check out this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States

 

I can't answer for Jim, but between the fall of 1988 and spring of 1992, there were twelve according to this list. I don't remember hearing about one of them while I was in school.

Well I don't know when you graduated but just to give you an example from my generation the first time I was exposed to it was around 1996 when a kid brought a gun to Ryle. Assuming you graduated before me, I bet it was even more rare, def nothing like we see today.

 

Elementary kids also weren't playing GTA 5 after school back in our days. I disagree with you, society is more violent and unstable today.

 

Five incidents in the US in my graduation year of 1988. Don't recall hearing about a single one, and I've been a newspaper reader since I was a wee child. That 24-hour news cycle has nothing to do with it, though?

 

You might be surprised. Check out this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States

 

I can't answer for Jim, but between the fall of 1988 and spring of 1992, there were twelve according to this list. I don't remember hearing about one of them while I was in school.

 

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Well I don't know when you graduated but just to give you an example from my generation the first time I was exposed to it was around 1996 when a kid brought a gun to Ryle. Assuming you graduated before me, I bet it was even more rare, def nothing like we see today.

 

Elementary kids also weren't playing GTA 5 after school back in our days. I disagree with you, society is more violent and unstable today.

I graduated in 93 and a kid brought a gun to school when I was in the 8th grade. He was a 7th grader.