That's so complex Deuce.

 

Look at it this way, whether you are a "bad guy" dealing with the police or a "good guy" dealing with a criminal (think of someone robbing an innocent citizen) anything other than complete cooperation will get you hurt or killed a certain percentage of the time.

That's so complex Deuce.

 

Look at it this way, whether you are a "bad guy" dealing with the police or a "good guy" dealing with a criminal (think of someone robbing an innocent citizen) anything other than complete cooperation will get you hurt or killed a certain percentage of the time.

 

Agreed. But at what point as a nation do we decide that percentage is too high?

Agreed. But at what point as a nation do we decide that percentage is too high?

 

First we have to figure out how many are justified, because a large majority of them are.

 

Then we will how many unjustified shootings there are , then we can decide from a true number.

First we have to figure out how many are justified, because a large majority of them are.

 

Then we will how many unjustified shootings there are , then we can decide from a true number.

 

Even before that, we need to examine what is determined as justified.

Agreed. But at what point as a nation do we decide that percentage is too high?

 

We can't get the cart before the horse.

 

Everyone needs to cooperate fully with law enforcement officers (again even if that cooperation is remaining silent) and if the police officer somehow wrongs you the proper recourse is to sue him and the police department in civil court.

 

Once everyone does that then we can put about 99.9% of the blame on the police but until that time everyone is mostly barking up the wrong tree.

 

Finally, I believe technology will eventually solve most of our lack of cooperation/mob mentality issues but who knows what other issues technology will give rise to.

Even before that, we need to examine what is determined as justified.

 

I think we also need to look at this issue logically. You can't compare the United States to any other country as much as some studies try to.

 

In this country we grant our citizens more freedom than any other country in the world. People by their very nature are going to make mistakes or abuse those freedoms.

 

Those abuses are what lead to some these results people try to compare to other countries.

 

We need to be logical and understand a country founded on freedom will have people abuse those freedoms and have negative results not found elsewhere.

 

I personally can live with that knowing the amount of freedoms I'm born with.

We can't get the cart before the horse.

 

Everyone needs to cooperate fully with law enforcement officers (again even if that cooperation is remaining silent) and if the police officer somehow wrongs you the proper recourse is to sue him and the police department in civil court.

 

Once everyone does that then we can put about 99.9% of the blame on the police but until that time everyone is mostly barking up the wrong tree.

 

Finally, I believe technology will eventually solve most of our lack of cooperation/mob mentality issues but who knows what other issues technology will give rise to.

 

We are in agreement about the cooperation issues. For sure.

 

I think technology will GREATLY help these issues, both for citizens and the officers. Some people may see it as an inconvenience to the officers, but if I were in their shoes, I would welcome body cams with open arms. It would make me feel safer about the job I was doing, especially if I was doing it the right way.

We are in agreement about the cooperation issues. For sure.

 

I think technology will GREATLY help these issues, both for citizens and the officers. Some people may see it as an inconvenience to the officers, but if I were in their shoes, I would welcome body cams with open arms. It would make me feel safer about the job I was doing, especially if I was doing it the right way.

 

We agree about a lot.

 

Body cams will be one of the first steps but long term think more like benevolent robo cops. I don't mean robots, I mean futuristic technology paired up with ultra competent and ultra well trained (and paid) police officers along with vigorous prosecution of law breakers with impeccable evidence gathered by the technology.

 

Think how it will work with the mobs, anyone interfering with the police officer will be electronically/digitally identified and tagged for arrest. Failure to immediately submit/turn yourself in will result in enhanced penalties. The evidence will be undeniable.

 

In the future, citizens will run away from police incidents.

Out of curiosity, can we rename the "controversial issues" forum Cop Block 2.0?

Out of curiosity, can we rename the "controversial issues" forum Cop Block 2.0?

 

I don't see it that way.

What about "Negative Police Stuff"? Seems like literally 50% of the threads are cop bashing.

What about "Negative Police Stuff"? Seems like literally 50% of the threads are cop bashing.

 

That is our opportunity (as police officers and former police officers) to make a difference.

We can't get the cart before the horse.

 

Everyone needs to cooperate fully with law enforcement officers (again even if that cooperation is remaining silent) and if the police officer somehow wrongs you the proper recourse is to sue him and the police department in civil court.

 

 

THIS!

That is our opportunity (as police officers and former police officers) to make a difference.

 

No one on here that participates in the cop bashing will be swayed. It's the same posters that have been bashing for years. No matter what, the cops will always be wrong in their eyes. A couple of bad apples and it's literally "police in this country", etc. They have too nice of equipment, cars, etc. it becomes "glad my tax dollars are being wasted on new cars, there's not enough crime to justify it". They get paid a decent salary, it's the same response. If there's a crime wave, it's "I pay their salary and they're worthless, and can't catch bad guys". If one makes a mistake or is a knucklehead, them it's "police are held to a higher standard".

 

Bottom line, take a small salary, with outdated equipment, leave everyone alone but "the bad guys" and you best be perfect.

No one on here that participates in the cop bashing will be swayed. It's the same posters that have been bashing for years. No matter what, the cops will always be wrong in their eyes. A couple of bad apples and it's literally "police in this country", etc. They have too nice of equipment, cars, etc. it becomes "glad my tax dollars are being wasted on new cars, there's not enough crime to justify it". They get paid a decent salary, it's the same response. If there's a crime wave, it's "I pay their salary and they're worthless, and can't catch bad guys". If one makes a mistake or is a knucklehead, them it's "police are held to a higher standard".

 

Bottom line, take a small salary, with outdated equipment, leave everyone alone but "the bad guys" and you best be perfect.

 

I promise, it is not that bad. Take a couple of steps back, breath.

 

Intelligent people do change their mind on issues if given the proper information, experiences, and time to do so.