Saw an interesting point last night....If the league and Goodell are so confident in their discipline and Wells' investigation, why are they not allowing a neutral/unbiased third party hear the appeal?

I don't think it matters. Whoever was going to hear the appeal there would people on either side saying it was the wrong person.

 

The other question I'd love to know is if the Patriots did nothing wrong, according to the Patriots, then why did they suspend without pay the 2 equipment guys? Hmmmmm

First off I would say that No, you wouldn't settle for the bolded. Now you want the proof? The Colts Footballs were not found under the limit on both gauges so therefore the Pats balls were not under inflated naturally. Both sets of footballs were in the same weather conditions therefore nature didn't act differently on one sideline than it did on the other sideline. There is your proof, now I challenge you to stick to your word.

 

Same weather conditions, yes. But balls are allowed to be within a range of pressure. Maybe Andrew Luck likes the balls inflated to a higher pressure, so if the Colt's balls started at a higher PSI than the Patriot's balls, then obviously they'd be at a higher pressure even after being exposed to the cold, and possibly still within an acceptable range. The same weather conditions argument only is foolproof if both teams balls started at the exact same PSI.

Same weather conditions, yes. But balls are allowed to be within a range of pressure. Maybe Andrew Luck likes the balls inflated to a higher pressure, so if the Colt's balls started at a higher PSI than the Patriot's balls, then obviously they'd be at a higher pressure even after being exposed to the cold, and possibly still within an acceptable range. The same weather conditions argument only is foolproof if both teams balls started at the exact same PSI.

 

Hmmmmmm

Same weather conditions, yes. But balls are allowed to be within a range of pressure. Maybe Andrew Luck likes the balls inflated to a higher pressure, so if the Colt's balls started at a higher PSI than the Patriot's balls, then obviously they'd be at a higher pressure even after being exposed to the cold, and possibly still within an acceptable range. The same weather conditions argument only is foolproof if both teams balls started at the exact same PSI.

Many of the Pats balls were more than a pound under the 12.5 I would love to know then how much the psi can drop in an hour at those conditions because if it is 2 pounds an hour as some of the balls were close to just by halftime, then by the end of a game many of the balls would have been flat. That is a fact. Even in the Freezer Bowl and Ice Bowl I never saw deflated footballs being tossed around and that was much MUCH colder than the Pats/Colts game.

 

Again, it wasn't the natural gas garbage lol.

 

Again, I ask, please explain why deflating after the inspection using your idea of what might have happened.

 

Why do all the Brady defenders refuse to answer the common sense question? They are quick to come up with an excuse to what may have happened yet ignore the common questions.

 

Why were the balls deflated AFTER the inspection? Why not just have them at 12.5 before the inspection if Brady liked his footballs at that psi?

 

Oh I have to add something else and you are basically proving my point when you talk about the Colts footballs and how maybe Luck likes them inflated more etc. so that may be why they were still of legal psi because the Colts Footballs were overinflated before hand. Then that also proves my point....if the Colts equipment guys overinflated to the top of the psi legal level, then why wouldn't the Pats equipment guys prepare their footballs to Brady's liking by having those inflated to the minimum requirement? Again you kind of caught yourself proving my point about why deflate them after the inspections.

 

Why do all the Brady defenders refuse to answer the common sense question? They are quick to come up with an excuse to what may have happened yet ignore the common questions.

 

Why were the balls deflated AFTER the inspection? Why not just have them at 12.5 before the inspection if Brady liked his footballs at that psi?

 

When you show us/answer how it was PROVEN that he was guilty of cheating, I'll think about answering. Until then, I'll let you continue on your bitter ex-girlfriend like tirade against Brady...

I'll trust a Nobel Laureate of Chemistry and his opinion on the natural gas laws over Ted Wells....:idunno:

I don't think it matters. Whoever was going to hear the appeal there would people on either side saying it was the wrong person.

 

The other question I'd love to know is if the Patriots did nothing wrong, according to the Patriots, then why did they suspend without pay the 2 equipment guys? Hmmmmm

 

This where I think it will get interesting. I hope someone is paying these 2 to keep their mouth shut. If I was just suspended without pay and the league has to approve whether I can work again in the NFL, you better believe someone better be paying me or I am telling the world what I know.

I'll trust a Nobel Laureate of Chemistry and his opinion on the natural gas laws over Ted Wells....:idunno:

Again, please show me in any NFL game including the Freezer bowl or Ice Bowl where by the end of the game they were tossing around flat pieces of leather. Because if a football can lose around 2 lbs of pressure an hour in the conditions of the Pats/Colts game, then those footballs would have been around 6 PSI by the end of the game. Your natural gas garbage is just that, a poor excuse that holds no water. Please show me where that law says you will lose 2 lbs of pressure from a football every hour.

 

Please show me where the professor said the footballs will lose how much psi over a certain amount of time. I haven't seen anything where he stated how much psi's will be lost per hour or even how much you should expect it to lose.

I don't know why some of you fellas are wasting your time even having this conversation anymore. This wall here at work is providing better conversation.

I don't know why some of you fellas are wasting your time even having this conversation anymore. This wall here at work is providing better conversation.

Yet you still chime in lol

First off I would say that No, you wouldn't settle for the bolded. Now you want the proof? The Colts Footballs were not found under the limit on both gauges so therefore the Pats balls were not under inflated naturally. Both sets of footballs were in the same weather conditions therefore nature didn't act differently on one sideline than it did on the other sideline. There is your proof, now I challenge you to stick to your word.

 

Proof?:lol2: What was the psi on the Colts balls pregame? Just because they weren't under the limit doesn't mean they did lose pressure. Funny that you call someone's argument stupid, ignorant, and ridiculous.

Proof?:lol2: What was the psi on the Colts balls pregame? Just because they weren't under the limit doesn't mean they did lose pressure. Funny that you call someone's argument stupid, ignorant, and ridiculous.

Hahaha, not one of the Colts balls were under according to both gauges, one showed some under the other showed them all over the minimum requirement. Every single one of the PAts balls were under according to BOTH gauges used. Do you think all of the balls were inflated to the same psi? Let's pretend for the sake of your argument that all the balls were filled to the same PSI level, then why were they all different when tested again at halftime? Wouldn't the "Natural Gas Law" be the same for every football? Or are you saying that every football is different so some only decrease PSI a very little bit while another football deflates much faster?

 

Trying to understand the logic that the Natural Gas Law affects not only different sidelines differently but also different footballs on the same sideline differently.

Again, please show me in any NFL game including the Freezer bowl or Ice Bowl where by the end of the game they were tossing around flat pieces of leather. Because if a football can lose around 2 lbs of pressure an hour in the conditions of the Pats/Colts game, then those footballs would have been around 6 PSI by the end of the game. Your natural gas garbage is just that, a poor excuse that holds no water. Please show me where that law says you will lose 2 lbs of pressure from a football every hour.

 

Please show me where the professor said the footballs will lose how much psi over a certain amount of time. I haven't seen anything where he stated how much psi's will be lost per hour or even how much you should expect it to lose.

 

PSI doesn't continue to drop (or increase) due to air temperature. It will drop as the air molecules "slow down" until it reaches an equilibrium point. Think about it, if it did just continue to drop and drop, eventually your tires would go eventually go completely flat in the winter time (although if left alone long enough, they will, but that's due to tires not being completely air tight). You also make this statement

Or are you saying that every football is different so some only decrease PSI a very little bit while another football deflates much faster

And yes this is completely plausible. Every football is a little different. I've found that some footballs do lose pressure faster than others. And if they were all the same, NFL QB's wouldn't have fought so hard to have more control over their preparation.

 

I understand all your points. Brady could have absolutely been the puppet master, pulling all the strings to make sure his footballs were perfectly illegal. There's some evidence that indirectly points to that possibility. However, you simply can't prove it without a doubt. And the science part is irrefutable...sorry. I've said before, I have no issues with the suspension. The part I disagree with is that Brady is being characterized as the biggest cheat ever, and I simply am not willing to believe that on shaky evidence, and the fact that I don't believe that a football being a pound or two underinflated provides any sort of "advantage" or alters game play in favor of the Pats. Especially when the range of PSI seems to be set arbitrarily anyway, and the fact that PSI will likely decrease throughout the course of a game. If left alone a ball will eventually go flat, regardless of the weather conditions. I don't see why it's so crazy to think that this couldn't be an explanation as to how the PSI came to be too low.

PSI doesn't continue to drop (or increase) due to air temperature. It will drop as the air molecules "slow down" until it reaches an equilibrium point. Think about it, if it did just continue to drop and drop, eventually your tires would go eventually go completely flat in the winter time.

 

I understand all your points. Brady could have absolutely been the puppet master, pulling all the strings to make sure his footballs were perfectly illegal. There's some evidence that indirectly points to that possibility. However, you simply can't prove it without a doubt. And the science part is irrefutable...sorry. I've said before, I have no issues with the suspension. The part I disagree with is that Brady is being characterized as the biggest cheat ever, and I simply am not willing to believe that on shaky evidence, and the fact that I don't believe that a football being a pound or two underinflated provides any sort of "advantage" or alters game play in favor of the Pats. Especially when the range of PSI seems to be set arbitrarily anyway, and the fact that PSI will likely decrease throughout the course of a game. If left alone a ball will eventually go flat, regardless of the weather conditions. I don't see why it's so crazy to think that this couldn't be an explanation as to how the PSI came to be too low.

I agree with a lot of what you say in this post. I don't think, as you do , that it really makes much of a difference in having them deflated under or not, the only advantage it gives is easier to hold on to the ball period. Just easier to grip is all. As far as how big of a deal this is, it really isn't about the deflated footballs being such a huge deal, but rather the cheating itself is what makes it a big deal.

 

When someone cheats it doesn't benefit them all the time. That game for instance it had no bearing on the outcome, but the week before it very well could have played a part in the outcome of that game. It's just cheating period that is the big deal to me. I am not a Brady fan, but that isn't why I think it's such a big deal. I'd be all up in arms if it was AJ Green cheating. I grew up a Big Red Machine fan and was a huge Rose fan, but after the gambling thing came out even before he admitted it I knew he had done it and think of him in the same light I think of anyone who either cheats or does something they know takes away from the integrity of the game purposely.

 

Any player I'd feel the same about when it comes to cheating like this. Jerry Rice admitting to using illegal substance on his gloves...cheater in my book. I don't excuse someone simply because I liked them as a player.

Hahaha, not one of the Colts balls were under according to both gauges, one showed some under the other showed them all over the minimum requirement. Every single one of the PAts balls were under according to BOTH gauges used. Do you think all of the balls were inflated to the same psi? Let's pretend for the sake of your argument that all the balls were filled to the same PSI level, then why were they all different when tested again at halftime? Wouldn't the "Natural Gas Law" be the same for every football? Or are you saying that every football is different so some only decrease PSI a very little bit while another football deflates much faster?

 

Trying to understand the logic that the Natural Gas Law affects not only different sidelines differently but also different footballs on the same sideline differently.

 

Why can't you understand that the psi on the Colts balls being over the limit means zip. Unless you can tell me what the pregame PSI was on all the balls you it doesn't matter. Do you honestly believe every massed produced football is exactly the same? Seriously?

 

I don't even understand your first statement. First you say not one was under on according to both gauges then you say one showed some under and one showed all over.

 

You're trying to look at all of this in vacuum. Unless all 24 balls were exactly the same, were all prepared the same, all went through the exact same use at practice, were all handled the exact same, and were all inflated in the same conditions, then yes the logic is natural gas law will affect each one differently.