I was just getting ready to say, that regardless of whether the kids would have a case or not (and I firmly believe they would not), I'm not sure OU cares. They acted swiftly and harshly, and in the public eye they're coming out of this looking golden, regardless of whether or not they have to pay out down the road.

 

 

This article agrees with Clyde. It cites specific cases similar to this one.

 

No, a public university may not expel students for racist speech [uPDATED in light of the students' expulsion] - The Washington Post

I was just getting ready to say, that regardless of whether the kids would have a case or not (and I firmly believe they would not), I'm not sure OU cares. They acted swiftly and harshly, and in the public eye they're coming out of this looking golden, regardless of whether or not they have to pay out down the road.

 

Agree with all but that the kids would have a case. I think they'd probably have a case. Not because I agree with what they said, and I think anyone who knows me would agree with my sincerity there, but just because it isn't the kind of speech that arises to the kind of level OU is saying it does. Notice the wording of OU's President's statement. He used 'threatening' for a reason. Legally though, I think it's a stretch that it fits what 'threatening' really means to the classification of speech as implied.

It meets the criteria of your previous post. The government has limits on how it can punish speech.

 

Agreed. The government has limits. I don't think those limits apply to your example.

Agreed. The government has limits. I don't think those limits apply to your example.

 

Read the article that I posted in post #91 . It was written by an expert in free speech law, religious freedom law and church-state relations law. It agrees with you. It cites specific cases that support your view.

2 expelled students apologize:

 

 

Fraternity brothers who joined racist chant at University of Oklahoma apologize - The Washington Post

^The ole "Sorry because we got caught."

So if I am on a flag football team in college and scream out I hate muslims I hope they all blow up.

 

Am I getting kicked out of college

 

When I was at EKU I was straight up told by a black friend of mine who was rushing a black frat that he wasn't allowed to talk to white people while being inducted.

I'm not sure what NKU's Code of Conduct says, but there were "Preachers" on our campus from time to time spewing this hatred. They weren't even students and NKU let it go on. I'm sure you remember seeing them UKMF.

 

They were also probably in an area designated a "free speech area" and possibly applied for a permit, etc. to get on a mic there.

 

While "free speech" isn't confined to an area (it's everywhere), there are time, place, and manner restrictions. Universities give everyone a forum, an they don't discriminate letting someone use it based on content.

 

Univesity President called the speech 'threatening'. He did so for a reason, and that reason is that hate speech isn't afforded the same protections; at the same time, I don't think it'd pass legal muster for 'threatening'.

 

Any of the words italicized are significant legally.

 

Again, I'm all against what the OU guys were saying, but legally, being kicked out of school, if they are brave enough to put their names on a lawsuit and want to make it a public deal, they can fight getting kicked out of school and will likely win. That's all I'm saying.

 

OU probably knows that they won't file a suit and give all the papers their names and have the spectacle that comes with the trial, so they do this, look good from a PR standpoint, and it likely doesn't end up challenged for the reasons I just mentioned. If they file suit, then their names are public record in the suit and the papers get ahold of it, start profiling them, all that, and there are names that people have, not just faces of kids in a video.

This group never got suspended apparently. But it's a 2 way street now days.

ZionTimes.com...Jewish World - (Jewish Student Sues UC Berkeley over Muslim Assault)

 

They acually assaulted a student

Common occurence all across the country. Should come as no surprise. America remains a very racist country. I see and hear it weekly in the area I live.

So if I am on a flag football team in college and scream out I hate muslims and I hope they all blow up.

 

Am I getting kicked out of college

 

When I was at EKU I was straight up told by a black friend of mine who was rushing a black frat that he wasn't allowed to talk to white people while being inducted.

 

Anybody that agrees to a Code of Conduct at a University is subject to discipline if that school deems their behavior to be unacceptable.

Edited March 12, 201511 yr by PurplePride92

Anybody that agrees to a Code of Conduct at a University is subject to discipline if that school deems their behavior to be unacceptable.

 

I disagree that a person gets to decide what is acceptable/unacceptable. There is a fine line.

 

I find a lot of things unacceptable as I get older.

 

Not taking up for the kids on tape, but getting kicked out for that is a little extreme. yeah they used bad words but obviously they were never going to litteraly harm someone.

 

If Im a lawyer I beg for this case to beat the Univ.

The school's handling of running back Joe Mixon's situation is causing many to say there is a double standard at OU.

 

Mixon was at a bar and used a gay slur against the friend of a female basketball player. An argument ensued and Mixon punched the female and broke 4 bones in her face. It's all on tape. There is no question as to who the aggressor was.

 

Mixon was suspended from the team for a year but allowed to remain a student. President Boren was quoted as saying students make mistakes but deserve second chances.

The school's handling of running back Joe Mixon's situation is causing many to say there is a double standard at OU.

 

Mixon was at a bar and used a gay slur against the friend of a female basketball player. An argument ensued and Mixon punched the female and broke 4 bones in her face. It's all on tape. There is no question as to who the aggressor was.

 

Mixon was suspended from the team for a year but allowed to remain a student. President Boren was quoted as saying students make mistakes but deserve second chances.

 

Unless they say the "N" word which apparently is more threatening than actually punching a woman in the face.

Unless they say the "N" word which apparently is more threatening than actually punching a woman in the face.

 

Therein lies the rub.