5 hours and 135 views later no one is disputing the accomplishments of Obama that Kipper Jones listed.

Most if all has already been disputed in the past. The election clearly disputes it.

We've had numerous threads on the damage this presidency has done, all you need to do is read them. Agree or disagree with them, there is plenty of dispute.

For all the Democrats who were afraid to campaign on the record of the Obama administration over the last 6 years, who somehow felt that a 25% drop in the rolls of the medically uninsured wasn't enough to tout. For those who ignored the fact that there hasn't been one catastrophic instance of foreign terrorism on our shores, and the alleged mastermind of the previously all imposing 9/11 'attacks' was captured and killed the way his predecessor had no plans of doing. You deserve exactly what you got. A resounding defeat!

The screaming we heard about the ridiculous gas prices have all but disappeared. The hemorrhaging job losses we were suffering under the previous admin have been replaced by unprecedented job growth, (55 consecutive months of job growth, totaling more than 10 million jobs, which is roughly 10,000,000 more jobs than the previous admin created in eight years). Not to mention, the economy was on the brink of depressive disaster the likes of which hadn't been seen in nearly a century, and now the stock market has ascended to record heights, the housing market is recovering, and our economic outlook is, as well, (64 consecutive months of economic expansion, eclipsing Ronald Wilson Reagan’s record).

Not to mention the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility and Disclosure (CARD) Act, which was designed to to protect American consumers from unfair and deceptive credit card practices. But that wasn't enough.

Or the increased infrastructure spending after years of neglect, or taking steps to improve minority access to capital.

And for all the wailing and gnashing of teeth about the "deficit" and spending, the federal budget deficit has been reduced from 9.8% of GDP in Fiscal Year 2009 under Bush, to 2.9% of GDP in FY 2014.

Still not enough.

Advocated for and signed the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act, which made it a federal crime to assault anyone based on his or her sexual orientation or gender identity.

Pushed through, signed and demanded the Pentagon enact a repeal of the discriminatory “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” policy that forced soldiers to lie in order to be eligible to fight for their country.

POTUS even changed his mind and publicly expressed support for same-sex marriage. But that wasn't enough, either.

Even signed an Executive Order establishing a White House Council on Women and Girls to ensure that all Cabinet and Cabinet-level agencies evaluate the effect of their policies and programs on women and families, signed the Democratic-sponsored Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, which restored basic protections against pay discrimination for women and other workers, expanded funding for the Violence Against Women Act, and shattered another glass ceiling by naming Janet Yellen chair of the Federal Reserve beginning Feb. 1, 2014. But, no.

Against all of the mythical opposition, through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act , cut taxes for 95% of America’s working families! Did anyone campaign on the fact that Tax rates for average working families are the lowest since 1950? Hell, no!

This short list of accomplishments just illustrates the shameful way in which Democrats campaigned away from the President and anything he had to do with.

 

 

 

 

 

Not enough.

 

Problem is, I suppose, that the previous bar was set so low.

 

 

 

 

For all the Democrats who were afraid to campaign on the record of the Obama administration over the last 6 years, who somehow felt that a 25% drop in the rolls of the medically uninsured wasn't enough to tout.

 

There are more people uninsured today than before ACA. There are fewer doctors. Those who have insurance are facing large increases. No one received a promised $2000 break.

 

 

For those who ignored the fact that there hasn't been one catastrophic instance of foreign terrorism on our shores, and the alleged mastermind of the previously all imposing 9/11 'attacks' was captured and killed the way his predecessor had no plans of doing. You deserve exactly what you got. A resounding defeat!

 

What is catastrophic? Terrorism is on the rise domestically and worldwide. Foot Hood, recent NJ teen and many others. We have no 'homeland security' it seems.

 

The screaming we heard about the ridiculous gas prices have all but disappeared.

 

The result of a faultering domestic and international economy. Good at the micro level but tells the story of the macro economy.

 

The hemorrhaging job losses we were suffering under the previous admin have been replaced by unprecedented job growth, (55 consecutive months of job growth, totaling more than 10 million jobs, which is roughly 10,000,000 more jobs than the previous admin created in eight years). Not to mention, the economy was on the brink of depressive disaster the likes of which hadn't been seen in nearly a century, and now the stock market has ascended to record heights, the housing market is recovering, and our economic outlook is, as well, (64 consecutive months of economic expansion, eclipsing Ronald Wilson Reagan’s record).

 

Job created? Part time, much lower wage jobs. Some jobs are created because ACA forced companies to limit the hours of employees and so yes - they needed more. Anyone who lost a solid job they held before 2009 will probably tell you their new one is about half the salary, if that. The bounce of a normal recession never occurred. Employment participation rate is almost the lowest ever. More telling, more distrubing is that the number of small businesses - the main job maker of America - is at an ALL TIME low and declining.

 

Not to mention the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility and Disclosure (CARD) Act, which was designed to to protect American consumers from unfair and deceptive credit card practices. But that wasn't enough.

Or the increased infrastructure spending after years of neglect, or taking steps to improve minority access to capital.

 

Not bad.

 

And for all the wailing and gnashing of teeth about the "deficit" and spending, the federal budget deficit has been reduced from 9.8% of GDP in Fiscal Year 2009 under Bush, to 2.9% of GDP in FY 2014.

Still not enough.

 

GDP growth has not been what is needed to recover from a recession. There was never any bounce back. GDP needed to be around 4% to get back. It never got there and stumbled over and over again with uncertainty over ACA.

 

Advocated for and signed the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act, which made it a federal crime to assault anyone based on his or her sexual orientation or gender identity.

 

Crime should be crime. If you are assaulted it should not matter if it was because you were gay or ugly or had money to steal. Legislating emotions sounds every Orwellian.

 

Pushed through, signed and demanded the Pentagon enact a repeal of the discriminatory “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” policy that forced soldiers to lie in order to be eligible to fight for their country.

 

Against the advice of military leaders.

 

 

POTUS even changed his mind and publicly expressed support for same-sex marriage. But that wasn't enough, either.

 

Or he just lied the first time to get elected.

 

 

Even signed an Executive Order establishing a White House Council on Women and Girls to ensure that all Cabinet and Cabinet-level agencies evaluate the effect of their policies and programs on women and families, signed the Democratic-sponsored Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, which restored basic protections against pay discrimination for women and other workers, expanded funding for the Violence Against Women Act, and shattered another glass ceiling by naming Janet Yellen chair of the Federal Reserve beginning Feb. 1, 2014. But, no.

 

Study after study after study shows there is no real wage gap. Protections are good but its a mostly false wedge issue and people now know it.

Against all of the mythical opposition, through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act , cut taxes for 95% of America’s working families! Did anyone campaign on the fact that Tax rates for average working families are the lowest since 1950? Hell, no!

 

Did you make it permenant? No - because the 'tax cut' was the funding to social security - our own future funding at a personal level. It was supposed to stimilate spending - it did not. It was supposed to fix infrastructure - yet a bridge rots over the Ohio River in Northern Kentucky. The recovery act was a money grab and give away. Unlike the 20s and 30s we came out of this with no real improved infrastructure or ongoing benefits.

 

This short list of accomplishments just illustrates the shameful way in which Democrats campaigned away from the President and anything he had to do with.

 

The records and the spin do not match. The national Democrats used up a lot of spin 2012 to keep the top office. It was not going to work in 2014.

Folks, nothing changes but the names. We're back to 2006.

We're back to 2006.

 

Very much agree.

 

Just as 2012 was a repeat of 2004, so I also believe 2014 is a repeat of 2006.

The way I look at it is Obama and his far left side of the party have been trying to drive the country over a cliff with his ridiculous policies, not to mention the incredible incompetence and arrogance of he and his inner circle. This last election was most of the country (and a ton of democrats up for re-election) trying to get out of the car before it goes over the cliff...

For all the Democrats who were afraid to campaign on the record of the Obama administration over the last 6 years, who somehow felt that a 25% drop in the rolls of the medically uninsured wasn't enough to tout.

 

There are more people uninsured today than before ACA. There are fewer doctors. Those who have insurance are facing large increases. No one received a promised $2000 break.

 

 

For those who ignored the fact that there hasn't been one catastrophic instance of foreign terrorism on our shores, and the alleged mastermind of the previously all imposing 9/11 'attacks' was captured and killed the way his predecessor had no plans of doing. You deserve exactly what you got. A resounding defeat!

 

What is catastrophic? Terrorism is on the rise domestically and worldwide. Foot Hood, recent NJ teen and many others. We have no 'homeland security' it seems.

 

The screaming we heard about the ridiculous gas prices have all but disappeared.

 

The result of a faultering domestic and international economy. Good at the micro level but tells the story of the macro economy.

 

The hemorrhaging job losses we were suffering under the previous admin have been replaced by unprecedented job growth, (55 consecutive months of job growth, totaling more than 10 million jobs, which is roughly 10,000,000 more jobs than the previous admin created in eight years). Not to mention, the economy was on the brink of depressive disaster the likes of which hadn't been seen in nearly a century, and now the stock market has ascended to record heights, the housing market is recovering, and our economic outlook is, as well, (64 consecutive months of economic expansion, eclipsing Ronald Wilson Reagan’s record).

 

Job created? Part time, much lower wage jobs. Some jobs are created because ACA forced companies to limit the hours of employees and so yes - they needed more. Anyone who lost a solid job they held before 2009 will probably tell you their new one is about half the salary, if that. The bounce of a normal recession never occurred. Employment participation rate is almost the lowest ever. More telling, more distrubing is that the number of small businesses - the main job maker of America - is at an ALL TIME low and declining.

 

Not to mention the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility and Disclosure (CARD) Act, which was designed to to protect American consumers from unfair and deceptive credit card practices. But that wasn't enough.

Or the increased infrastructure spending after years of neglect, or taking steps to improve minority access to capital.

 

Not bad.

 

And for all the wailing and gnashing of teeth about the "deficit" and spending, the federal budget deficit has been reduced from 9.8% of GDP in Fiscal Year 2009 under Bush, to 2.9% of GDP in FY 2014.

Still not enough.

 

GDP growth has not been what is needed to recover from a recession. There was never any bounce back. GDP needed to be around 4% to get back. It never got there and stumbled over and over again with uncertainty over ACA.

 

Advocated for and signed the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act, which made it a federal crime to assault anyone based on his or her sexual orientation or gender identity.

 

Crime should be crime. If you are assaulted it should not matter if it was because you were gay or ugly or had money to steal. Legislating emotions sounds every Orwellian.

 

Pushed through, signed and demanded the Pentagon enact a repeal of the discriminatory “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” policy that forced soldiers to lie in order to be eligible to fight for their country.

 

Against the advice of military leaders.

 

 

POTUS even changed his mind and publicly expressed support for same-sex marriage. But that wasn't enough, either.

 

Or he just lied the first time to get elected.

 

 

Even signed an Executive Order establishing a White House Council on Women and Girls to ensure that all Cabinet and Cabinet-level agencies evaluate the effect of their policies and programs on women and families, signed the Democratic-sponsored Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, which restored basic protections against pay discrimination for women and other workers, expanded funding for the Violence Against Women Act, and shattered another glass ceiling by naming Janet Yellen chair of the Federal Reserve beginning Feb. 1, 2014. But, no.

 

Study after study after study shows there is no real wage gap. Protections are good but its a mostly false wedge issue and people now know it.

Against all of the mythical opposition, through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act , cut taxes for 95% of America’s working families! Did anyone campaign on the fact that Tax rates for average working families are the lowest since 1950? Hell, no!

 

Did you make it permenant? No - because the 'tax cut' was the funding to social security - our own future funding at a personal level. It was supposed to stimilate spending - it did not. It was supposed to fix infrastructure - yet a bridge rots over the Ohio River in Northern Kentucky. The recovery act was a money grab and give away. Unlike the 20s and 30s we came out of this with no real improved infrastructure or ongoing benefits.

 

This short list of accomplishments just illustrates the shameful way in which Democrats campaigned away from the President and anything he had to do with.

 

The records and the spin do not match. The national Democrats used up a lot of spin 2012 to keep the top office. It was not going to work in 2014.

 

Your sources aren't credible. Your rebuttals are false.

5 hours and 135 views later no one is disputing the accomplishments of Obama that Kipper Jones listed.

With all due respect, do you want to make a list, tit for tat, of all of the abysmal failures on one side and these on the other?

And I'd have had much more respect for the rant had it been written/posted before the fact. Just sayin'. Kinda loses it's luster in hindsight wisdom.

With all due respect, do you want to make a list, tit for tat, of all of the abysmal failures on one side and these on the other?

And I'd have had much more respect for the rant had it been written/posted before the fact. Just sayin'. Kinda loses it's luster in hindsight wisdom.

 

I want credible sources and a neutral fact checker that we can both send through the vetting process.

I want credible sources and a neutral fact checker that we can both send through the vetting process.

 

Sure, and I'm sure once this election fallout has passed, those who saw how this "plan to distance from the president" failed miserably, perhaps the approach will change. As for my personal issues with the president, I know enough about the AHCA to know it's horrible legislation crammed down the gullet of the country by his hand. I don't know the exact numbers of the uninsured vs. the insured in comparison, but the cost for the average joe has gotten to numbers many simply can't afford when they were told otherwise. Not to mention the fallout from entities from the medical community to the corporate coverage side.

If he's gonna parade around the Bin Laden deal, he has to wear the Benghazi debacle. So, forgive me if I'm not in the Obama apologist camp yet. I say yet, because there are 2 more years. To say I have much hope in a promising change would be a total fabrication on my part.

Your sources aren't credible. These are a false.

 

Most of my sources - especially on the big items are personal experience.

 

- Like for like insurance rate goes up 24% from 2014 to 2015

- Wife has been laid off from 2 jobs in last 5 years.

 

Others are common knowledge

 

- Gas is down due to world-wide economic slow down. Europe just announced lower outlooks this past week. China is faltering and the US is still in 2nd gear at best. I like cheap gas but its not good for broader picture.

- The labor force participation rate is published by the government - its there own number.

- The Fed report printed that business ownership is at its lowest level ever in a recent report. If the Fed is spreading lies thats a big problem.

- GDP rates a published (and republished ...and republished) and they are choppy and anemic for what is needed to for a strong recovery.

 

 

I do not lay all economic conditions at the administrations feet. But also Dems could not claim rousing victory even with the most positive spin to the economic numbers.

 

I felt like everyone on both sides just hunkered down in their bunkers and threw rhetoric slogans mostly provided from the national party puppet masters. Both lacked vision and the Dems did not ride any of thing positive. Both sides, probably driven by the national parties, were using fear mongering far more than records (even if challenged as I did without referencing any source) or vision (neither offered a vision of anything).

I want credible sources and a neutral fact checker that we can both send through the vetting process.

 

Like a facebook post?

Sure, and I'm sure once this election fallout has passed, those who saw how this "plan to distance from the president" failed miserably, perhaps the approach will change. As for my personal issues with the president, I know enough about the AHCA to know it's horrible legislation crammed down the gullet of the country by his hand. I don't know the exact numbers of the uninsured vs. the insured in comparison, but the cost for the average joe has gotten to numbers many simply can't afford when they were told otherwise. Not to mention the fallout from entities from the medical community to the corporate coverage side.

If he's gonna parade around the Bin Laden deal, he has to wear the Benghazi debacle. So, forgive me if I'm not in the Obama apologist camp yet. I say yet, because there are 2 more years. To say I have much hope in a promising change would be a total fabrication on my part.

 

Exactly. I'm not going to listen to anything anyone from the other side has to say about my guy just like no one from the other side should listen to what I have to say about my guy.

Most of my sources - especially on the big items are personal experience.

 

- Like for like insurance rate goes up 24% from 2014 to 2015

- Wife has been laid off from 2 jobs in last 5 years.

 

Others are common knowledge

 

- Gas is down due to world-wide economic slow down. Europe just announced lower outlooks this past week. China is faltering and the US is still in 2nd gear at best. I like cheap gas but its not good for broader picture.

- The labor force participation rate is published by the government - its there own number.

- The Fed report printed that business ownership is at its lowest level ever in a recent report. If the Fed is spreading lies thats a big problem.

- GDP rates a published (and republished ...and republished) and they are choppy and anemic for what is needed to for a strong recovery.

 

 

I do not lay all economic conditions at the administrations feet. But also Dems could not claim rousing victory even with the most positive spin to the economic numbers.

 

I felt like everyone on both sides just hunkered down in their bunkers and threw rhetoric slogans mostly provided from the national party puppet masters. Both lacked vision and the Dems did not ride any of thing positive. Both sides, probably driven by the national parties, were using fear mongering far more than records (even if challenged as I did without referencing any source) or vision (neither offered a vision of anything).

 

All of my sources are from personal experience as well.

Like a facebook post?

 

Sure. It's a part of the media.

Obama is way to arrogant and devoted to his radical left policies to see the fact that most Americans don't agree with him.

 

His cheeky 2/3 comment is an example. If 2/3 of Americans agreed with him wouldn't they have voted?

 

Also the excuse from pundits that Democrats don't vote in mid-terms is funny. Are they saying that Democrats feel they are to important to vote in mid-terms or that they're to lazy to take the time.

 

In Obama's own words, elections have consequences and he lost.

 

And before anyone says he wasn't running, Barry himself is the one that said this election was about his policies.

 

More proof of just how duplicitous he really is.