It's a timing play... The run counts as long as the runner clearly crosses home plate before the third out is made...

 

You talking about scenario in post #1 or the one in post #12

You talking about scenario in post #1 or the one in post #12

 

Talking about Post #1...

In Post 12 the run counts..

Nope, no run for post #12

Another scenario...Clyde on 3rd, JD on 2nd...1 out...ball hit high to centerfield. He appears he will catch it on the fly, so both runners go back to tag. After the catch is made, Clyde tags and scores easily. However knowing that the ball will likely be going to 3rd, JD tries to get a jump on the throw and ends up leaving early. He beats the throw to 3rd, and the umpire there rules him safe. Sweet 16, as the pitcher, who was backing up the catcher, sees that JD left early and appeals to the 2nd base ump, who rules JD out. Does Clyde's run count?

Runners on 1B & 3B. 1 out.

 

Batter hits deep ball to LF that is caught in foul territory.

 

Runner on 3B tags & scores. Runner on 1B thinks it is going to be fair and is trying to score from 1st. He is well past 2B by the time he realizes the ball has been caught. LF throws to SS who throws to 1B who runs over and touches the bag before the runner on 1B can get back to the bag.

 

Runner from 3B clearly crosses home plate before 1B touches the bag to record the 3rd out.

 

Does the run count?

Yes the run counts. Unless it is a force play the runner if touches homeplate before the out counts as a run.

Here is something that happened the other day at the Cooper vs St Henry game which I've never seen before and maybe it's a rule or maybe the umpire just had a brain fart.

 

Cooper at bat with a runner on 1st.

The runner on first breaks to steal 2nd and the batter foul tips the ball into the catchers mitt. The homeplate umpire signals the foul tip and strike as the catcher throws down to 2nd and the runner is signaled safe by the field ump. Even though the plate umpire clearly called foul tip they didn't make the runner go back to 1st.

 

I along with everyone else in the stands always thought you can't steal on a foul ball, is it different if it is fouled tipped into the catchers mitt and he doesn't drop it? OR did the umpire just have a serious brain fart?

Another scenario...Clyde on 3rd, JD on 2nd...1 out...ball hit high to centerfield. He appears he will catch it on the fly, so both runners go back to tag. After the catch is made, Clyde tags and scores easily. However knowing that the ball will likely be going to 3rd, JD tries to get a jump on the throw and ends up leaving early. He beats the throw to 3rd, and the umpire there rules him safe. Sweet 16, as the pitcher, who was backing up the catcher, sees that JD left early and appeals to the 2nd base ump, who rules JD out. Does Clyde's run count?

 

I'd say run does count since this again would be a timing play similar to first example in the thread.

Here is something that happened the other day at the Cooper vs St Henry game which I've never seen before and maybe it's a rule or maybe the umpire just had a brain fart.

 

Cooper at bat with a runner on 1st.

The runner on first breaks to steal 2nd and the batter foul tips the ball into the catchers mitt. The homeplate umpire signals the foul tip and strike as the catcher throws down to 2nd and the runner is signaled safe by the field ump. Even though the plate umpire clearly called foul tip they didn't make the runner go back to 1st.

 

I along with everyone else in the stands always thought you can't steal on a foul ball, is it different if it is fouled tipped into the catchers mitt and he doesn't drop it? OR did the umpire just have a serious brain fart?

 

If I'm not mistaken, a foul-tip is a live ball. A foul-tip is defined as a knicked/tipped ball off the bat that is immediately caught by the catcher. Therefore, the runner can steal. A foul ball is a dead ball.

That's correct. If the ball is foul tipped directly into the catcher's mitt it's a live ball.

Here is something that happened the other day at the Cooper vs St Henry game which I've never seen before and maybe it's a rule or maybe the umpire just had a brain fart.

 

Cooper at bat with a runner on 1st.

The runner on first breaks to steal 2nd and the batter foul tips the ball into the catchers mitt. The homeplate umpire signals the foul tip and strike as the catcher throws down to 2nd and the runner is signaled safe by the field ump. Even though the plate umpire clearly called foul tip they didn't make the runner go back to 1st.

 

I along with everyone else in the stands always thought you can't steal on a foul ball, is it different if it is fouled tipped into the catchers mitt and he doesn't drop it? OR did the umpire just have a serious brain fart?

 

Yep, live ball. I've seen it happen many times, and people give umpires all sorts of grief over "missing" this call, even though allowing the steal is the correct call.

Another scenario...Clyde on 3rd, JD on 2nd...1 out...ball hit high to centerfield. He appears he will catch it on the fly, so both runners go back to tag. After the catch is made, Clyde tags and scores easily. However knowing that the ball will likely be going to 3rd, JD tries to get a jump on the throw and ends up leaving early. He beats the throw to 3rd, and the umpire there rules him safe. Sweet 16, as the pitcher, who was backing up the catcher, sees that JD left early and appeals to the 2nd base ump, who rules JD out. Does Clyde's run count?

 

20 years ago JD would not have had to leave early to make it to 3rd. :lol: Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

Also, would this scenario have taken place in an All "A" game? Would like to get RCC9 involved in this discussion. :clap:

Yep, live ball. I've seen it happen many times, and people give umpires all sorts of grief over "missing" this call, even though allowing the steal is the correct call.

I was wondering that. I can see if it is fouled to the backstop it is a dead ball which means the runner goes back to the previous base.

 

Another question then. What if it is fouled into the dirt and bounces into the catchers glove? Is it a live or dead ball? So if a runner attempts to steal 2nd but the ball is fouled into the dirt but bounces to the catcher and he catches it and then throws down to 2nd, what is the call?

I was wondering that. I can see if it is fouled to the backstop it is a dead ball which means the runner goes back to the previous base.

 

Another question then. What if it is fouled into the dirt and bounces into the catchers glove? Is it a live or dead ball? So if a runner attempts to steal 2nd but the ball is fouled into the dirt but bounces to the catcher and he catches it and then throws down to 2nd, what is the call?

 

Dead ball, runner goes back.

 

If a batted ball touches foul territory (and stays foul) or something in foul territory it is a dead ball and the runner has to go back.

 

The foul tip into the mitt has been covered but I also believe if a batted ball is fouled into the catchers mask or chest protector and is then caught by the catcher it is live. The ball is dead though if it hits the catchers legs.

I was wondering that. I can see if it is fouled to the backstop it is a dead ball which means the runner goes back to the previous base.

 

Another question then. What if it is fouled into the dirt and bounces into the catchers glove? Is it a live or dead ball? So if a runner attempts to steal 2nd but the ball is fouled into the dirt but bounces to the catcher and he catches it and then throws down to 2nd, what is the call?

 

it went immediately to the dirt, that is a foul ball. A foul tip the ball must go immediately and DIRECTLY to the catchers mitt and subsequently caught.

Dead ball, runner goes back.

 

If a batted ball touches foul territory (and stays foul) or something in foul territory it is a dead ball and the runner has to go back.

 

The foul tip into the mitt has been covered but I also believe if a batted ball is fouled into the catchers mask or chest protector and is then caught by the catcher it is live. The ball is dead though if it hits the catchers legs.

 

Only if it hits the mitt before hitting their mask or chest or legs does it remain live