Runners on 1B & 3B. 1 out.

 

Batter hits deep ball to LF that is caught in foul territory.

 

Runner on 3B tags & scores. Runner on 1B thinks it is going to be fair and is trying to score from 1st. He is well past 2B by the time he realizes the ball has been caught. LF throws to SS who throws to 1B who runs over and touches the bag before the runner on 1B can get back to the bag.

 

Runner from 3B clearly crosses home plate before 1B touches the bag to record the 3rd out.

 

Does the run count?

I'd say no run without thinking much about it.

I believe the run counts

I thought that if the run scores before the 3rd out is made then it counts?

I'd think with it being a force out back at first that would preclude the run from scoring.

Yes the run would count because it would not be a force out. Same as if there were two out hit to gap runner on third scores. Batter gets thrown out trying to turn it into a double. Because it is not a force out the run counts, the guy on first did not have to run he had the choice to run or not.

It is a force in a sense in that the runner doesn't have to be tagged for the out to be made at first. Much different than making a big turn and getting into a run down where the runner may either advance or return to the previous base.

It is a force in a sense in that the runner doesn't have to be tagged for the out to be made at first. Much different than making a big turn and getting into a run down where the runner may either advance or return to the previous base.

 

It is not considered a force play which is the key aspect of this question. Had it been a force play the run would not count. Since it is not a force it is a timing play. Run counts since it happened before the appeal which resulted in the third out.

It is a force in a sense in that the runner doesn't have to be tagged for the out to be made at first. Much different than making a big turn and getting into a run down where the runner may either advance or return to the previous base.

 

Clyde, then what about ground ball double play? We could see a scenario in the pro's, where Billy Hamilton scores from 3rd on a traditional inning-ending double play...because you know he could make the plate faster than the defense could turn a 6-4-3.

Clyde, then what about ground ball double play? We could see a scenario in the pro's, where Billy Hamilton scores from 3rd on a traditional inning-ending double play...because you know he could make the plate faster than the defense could turn a 6-4-3.

 

It is NOT a force out in the traditional definition because the runner is not being forced to run as in a 6-4-3 doubleplay, it is simply a situation in which the defense can tag the runner or the base, the run counts if the runner on 3rd touches home before the other runner or base is touched.

I guess that's what the rule book is for, at first thought I was thinking no run. But as defined by the rules run scores...there you go, I learned something new today!

Here is another one: Clyde is at bat with two out, CFS is on second. Clyde by some miracle rips the ball into the corner for a double and CFS scores easily...the pitcher, Sweet16 appeals and throws the ball to first where the base is tagged and Clyde is called out for missing the base on his way to second. Does the run count?

Here is another one: Clyde is at bat with two out, CFS is on second. Clyde by some miracle rips the ball into the corner for a double and CFS scores easily...the pitcher, Sweet16 appeals and throws the ball to first where the base is tagged and Clyde is called out for missing the base on his way to second. Does the run count?

 

 

How did you know that I pitched?

 

Yes I saw him miss first.

How did you know that I pitched?

 

Yes I saw him miss first.

 

I wasn't surprised that you pitched I was surprised that Clyde was able to turn on your heater though.

It's a timing play... The run counts as long as the runner clearly crosses home plate before the third out is made...