I think the call is too close to call in real time to be able to truly call it a terrible call. Happens so fast and that is normally a foul on the defender.

Should've been a no call in my opinion.

 

This I agree with

Looks like Pangallo's feet are both inside the arc when he jumps up, but come down outside the arc when he lands. This makes it seem like he is going towards the shooter. Also, I think based on him turning his body as he did makes it easier for the official to call defensive foul. See it all the time on block/charge where the defensive player turns his body sideways.

 

They were not, they were inside of the college arc. If anything his feet go backwards. Can't really watch tell w/ his upper body. W/ the twist it is hard to say.

Just one of the terrible calls in this game. He already used his pivot and then picks up both feet to dive into the defender. .

 

If it were illegal to pick up both feet when shooting we'd have nothing but set shots.

I think the call is too close to call in real time to be able to truly call it a terrible call. Happens so fast and that is normally a foul on the defender.

 

I would like to see clarification of how much leeway a jump shooter gets to initiate contact. Does he have to be in his normal shooting motion, or a normal evasive jump? This was not a shot attempt, at least not in a natural movement. This was done purely to draw a call one way or another by initiating contact. He moved about 2 1/2 feet into the defender.

Just one of the terrible calls in this game. He already used his pivot and then picks up both feet to dive into the defender. If not travel then offensive player control foul. Outside of this region he will not get this call. He will also have trouble with carrying the ball the way he dribbles.

 

Yes, there were a few bad calls during the game and this might have been one. Another was giving the NCC kid a two shot foul on Shuh's 4th foul instead of a one and one. He had not started to go up for his shot- just started to gather himself for it. Couple other misses both sides.

 

Bottom line, NCC hits 75% of their free throws and they might win. But they didn't. Good season for NCC but the better team won. Can't wait for tonight.

This should always be called a foul on the offense and I absolutely HATE the way it's called 95% of the time on the d. Now, there are many times when the defensive player will jump up AND out towards the shooter...in that instance he's fair game. But it appears to me Pangallo went straight up and Ruthsatz had to take a huge step into him AND lowered his shoulder to do so. Not only is this NOT a no call, but I believe should have been on offensive foul.

 

Put it another way. Pangallo DOESN'T jump up, and Ruthsatz does the exact same thing. What would the call be? Would be a charge correct? Only difference here is that Pangallo jumped straight up (I think) which he is allowed to do and the rule of verticality applies.

 

And I'm just strictly discussing this play...not stating an opinion one way or the other about the game itself or how this play may or may not have affected it.

I would like to see clarification of how much leeway a jump shooter gets to initiate contact. Does he have to be in his normal shooting motion, or a normal evasive jump? This was not a shot attempt, at least not in a natural movement. This was done purely to draw a call one way or another by initiating contact. He moved about 2 1/2 feet into the defender.

 

This is where it gets tricky for me. It was obvious what he was doing and no way was that a good shot attempt but that is after having the luxury of seeing it in slow motion multiple times in the video. In real time I can't fault any ref who would call the foul on the defender.

And once again, Walter comes thru with the footage. Well done sir!!!

No. Left foot was pivot foot.

 

The reason I asked about the travel was the following: I see that his left foot is the pivot but when he lunges forward onto the right foot, his left foot leaves the ground before contact.

And once again, Walter comes thru with the footage. Well done sir!!!

 

Yes, sir. It makes for a better discussion.

The reason I asked about the travel was the following: I see that his left foot is the pivot but when he lunges forward onto the right foot, his left foot leaves the ground before contact.

 

 

Does your pivot foot leave the ground when you shoot a layup? A jump shot?

I do not call a foul on Pangallo there. It definitely was not traveling on Ruthsatz. With that much contact, I don't know how it could be a no call. I am calling the foul on Ruthsatz. Any time you purposely jump that far directly into a defender and create the contact, I think you have to call it a charge.

Does your pivot foot leave the ground when you shoot a layup? A jump shot?

 

It appears to me in the video (I acknowledge we have the benefit of slow motion and the refs didn't), that Ruth gives up his pivot foot before he starts the upward motion of his "shot". Answer me this, if Pangallo wasn't there and Ruthsatz takes the step in while moving the pivot foot prior to the shot attempt, would that not be a travel? He had stopped his dribble, established his pivot foot, took a step with the non-pivot foot while lifting the pivot then "shoots".

The reason I asked about the travel was the following: I see that his left foot is the pivot but when he lunges forward onto the right foot, his left foot leaves the ground before contact.

 

It's only a travel if his left foot comes back down with the ball in his hands. You can pick up your pivot foot, and it's not a travel. It's not until you put your pivot foot back down that it becomes a travel.