Darius Spivey-Nunn (sp) Tilghman - SIU

 

Rondell Green, RB/DB Warren Central - Indiana State University

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I agree on all fronts.

 

With the recent success Western Kentucky has had with in-state recruits, it would seem that EKU, Murray and Wesleyan would catch on. Heck, even when Petrino was at Louisville the first time, he was winning with in-state recruits.

 

I really like what WKU has done recruiting wise. They get a great mix of in-state and out-of-state kids.

Why is "schools not in Kentucky" important to the process? There were several players who were heavily recruited by out-of-state schools but chose in-state schools.

 

Maybe Barker and a few others had offers from nationally ranked teams and chose to stay and play for UK but they are the exception and there is not a lot of them. I see only one UL signed player on the list so the dominant team in the state (coaching changes aside) went for out of state players. In the past few years nationally ranked teams have signed some KY players and this year the list is dominated by UK and WKU. Hey congrats to all that got offers but I think if you compare this year's list to previous recent years this year's talent is less.

I really like what WKU has done recruiting wise. They get a great mix of in-state and out-of-state kids.

Agreed. Georgetown wins championships with in-state talent. WKU has been building a good program with in-state talent. Centre completes for top 10 spots in their class with in-state talent.

Maybe Barker and a few others had offers from nationally ranked teams and chose to stay and play for UK but they are the exception and there is not a lot of them. I see only one UL signed player on the list so the dominant team in the state (coaching changes aside) went for out of state players. In the past few years nationally ranked teams have signed some KY players and this year the list is dominated by UK and WKU. Hey congrats to all that got offers but I think if you compare this year's list to previous recent years this year's talent is less.

It can be argued, but for the sake of argument let's look at it from a different perspective. Let's say you are correct and the number of "well sought after D1 FBS players" were less this year. What about the total number of college commitments, particularly the D1 commits. So, is the entire work greater then the sum of the parts?

When I see the list it tells me there players within the state. I also see a large number of in-state commitments, which tells me there are not top end athletes, which we all know. But KY does not get the respect it deserves in terms of having solid college athletes.

 

Congrats to all those who get the opportunity to continue their education while playing football.

I think overall the state is getting better.

Hopefully the seniors for the upcoming season will continue this trend going.

Why is "schools not in Kentucky" important to the process? There were several players who were heavily recruited by out-of-state schools but chose in-state schools.

 

Your other post seem to imply that D2 is somehow comparable to FCS & a step above NAIA. In terms of total eventual cost out of pocket to a kid, D2 & NAIA are about identical. FCS gives full-rides; D2 & NAIA give Partial scholarships.

 

So--nothing against the great NAIA & D2 programs we have (many of whom do a great job combining small football awards w/ a kid's financial aid package to get their cost down a lot)--but I want more deserving Ky kids to get full rides. UK & UofL are BCS schools in tough conferences & must recruit/offer from a national perspective, so I get that not many of their scholarships will go to Ky kids.

 

So that leaves WKU, EKU, & Murray. Out of the 3, WKU seems to be the only one committed to building around in-state kids.

 

EKU & Murray are FCS--so if we have several Ky kids good enough to get offers at OUT-OF-STATE FCS schools like IndSt, S Illinois, UT Martin, then--if they didn't even offer those kids--why are they good enough to play for those FCS programs & not the 2 in-state?

 

My hope is those out of state schools sign many Ky kids & have good success because of them--maybe that will inspire EKU & Murray to have more of an in-state focus to their recruiting each year.

Your other post seem to imply that D2 is somehow comparable to FCS & a step above NAIA. In terms of total eventual cost out of pocket to a kid, D2 & NAIA are about identical. FCS gives full-rides; D2 & NAIA give Partial scholarships.

 

So--nothing against the great NAIA & D2 programs we have (many of whom do a great job combining small football awards w/ a kid's financial aid package to get their cost down a lot)--but I want more deserving Ky kids to get full rides. UK & UofL are BCS schools in tough conferences & must recruit/offer from a national perspective, so I get that not many of their scholarships will go to Ky kids.

I'm aware, but what I was trying to say is, there are many players in the state that were heavily recited, and some offered, by out of state D2 programs that chose to stay in state and play NAIA. Likewise, I know of several that were offered FCS that stayed in-state at FCS, D2 or even NAIA.

 

Yes, most of those received a package that was comparable to a full scholarship. What would have happened if EKU, Murray, and Wesleyan recruited those players that went out of state, or even the ones that chose NAIA over out of state D2 of FCS?

I think this says we have a lot of good football players in the state.

 

Not real sure if the low numbers to out of state schools really says or means anything and the reason is that if the kids aren't going to a lot of camps etc they simply won't be seen by those big out of state schools and unless you play for a pereniel power you won't get seen at all most of the time.

 

There are DIII players that can play for DII or even some DI same for NAIA players etc.

 

So I don't read into the out of schools at all. The sheer number if kids playing at the next level is pretty good IMO.

Ill go ahead and say the unthinkable "KENTUCKY IS A FOOTBALL STATE" . Univ of Kentucky is a basketball school. Don't confuse the 2.

^This. Enough said. Case closed. Don't argue. End of discussion.

 

...now that we have this out of the way.

 

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You can add Kentucky Wesleyan (D2) to that as well, I would dare say Wesleyan would win more games with more Kentucky talent then what they have been recruiting from Texas, Indiana and Ohio. They went 0-for 2013.

 

Without knowing more, why a school like Wesleyan would try to come into Texas and recruit is beyond me. Maybe there's a connection like a coach being from the area, etc. that makes more sense, but that's a heck of a long way to try and get a kid to go from home for that level of school.

Ill go ahead and say the unthinkable "KENTUCKY IS A FOOTBALL STATE" . Univ of Kentucky is a basketball school. Don't confuse the 2.

 

^This. Enough said. Case closed. Don't argue. End of discussion.

 

...now that we have this out of the way.

Been saying that for years. I normally get some weird looks when I do but it is painfully obvious.

Without knowing more, why a school like Wesleyan would try to come into Texas and recruit is beyond me. Maybe there's a connection like a coach being from the area, etc. that makes more sense, but that's a heck of a long way to try and get a kid to go from home for that level of school.

I agree, but it seems to be the case.