This is very helpful, but you will never stop fans from yelling at ref's. I often ask fans " When's the last time you seen a ref stop a game and look up at a fan and say 'your right, I missed that over the back" Duh.

Regarding the 5-second call, folks have to remember that there is a 5-second call for while there is a dribble and then a separate 5-second call when they are not dribbling.

 

So a player could be holding the ball for 4 seconds, not move , start dribbling for 4 seconds, pick it up, then hold it for 4 seconds again with no moving and not have a 5-second call called.

Another issue with the 5 second call that I think the refs tend to overlook is when a kid is heavily guarded and defense is switched, if he is still heavily guarded for a continues 5 seconds by both

Players it should be called 5 seconds.

Another issue with the 5 second call that I think the refs tend to overlook is when a kid is heavily guarded and defense is switched, if he is still heavily guarded for a continues 5 seconds by both

Players it should be called 5 seconds.

 

If the closely guarded requirement is met by the 2nd defender (and never broken from the first) then the 5 second count continues.

If the closely guarded requirement is met by the 2nd defender (and never broken from the first) then the 5 second count continues.

That is what I was referencing. I think it is seldom called.

I don't follow.

 

Post 4 you responded to the over and back with a response to an over the back call. Just giving you a hard time.

Should have mentioned that one.

 

There is NO rule that says a person behind another cannot get a rebound legally.

 

The only issue is did the person from behind push the other player while going for the ball. It's that simple.

 

 

Oops. As KYYank pointed out to me I didn't read this very well. Act like the fans yelled "Over THE Back."

Clyde, the one about the inbounder not being subject to a traveling violation but rather a spot violation... Is there a different signal for that violation? I have seen officials signal traveling when the inbounder leaves the spot/runs the baseline when he had to be on a spot.

1.) Are there certain areas of the court designated to one ref versus the other?

 

2.) How do refs override each other? Like if 2 refs blow the whistle, and one says travelling and the other says foul?

 

(Good info, by the way Clyde! Thank you.)

Clyde, the one about the inbounder not being subject to a traveling violation but rather a spot violation... Is there a different signal for that violation? I have seen officials signal traveling when the inbounder leaves the spot/runs the baseline when he had to be on a spot.

 

The travel signal is incorrect. Most officials just use a signal similar to a 3-second violation. Or they just whistle and point the other way.

1.) Are there certain areas of the court designated to one ref versus the other?

 

2.) How do refs override each other? Like if 2 refs blow the whistle, and one says travelling and the other says foul?

 

(Good info, by the way Clyde! Thank you.)

 

1. Yes. Each official has a primary area that can change during the play.

2. In your travel/foul example the officials would get together and determine which came first. Ideally, if two officials blow their whistle at the same time they eyeball each other and communicate as to who makes the call - usually the person whose primary it is in. The worse case is the ol' "blarge" call where one official comes out strong with a charge/player control and the other signals a block. You can't override that. You have to go with both.

That is what I was referencing. I think it is seldom called.

 

It is never called. Drives me nuts.

1. Yes. Each official has a primary area that can change during the play.

2. In your travel/foul example the officials would get together and determine which came first. Ideally, if two officials blow their whistle at the same time they eyeball each other and communicate as to who makes the call - usually the person whose primary it is in. The worse case is the ol' "blarge" call where one official comes out strong with a charge/player control and the other signals a block. You can't override that. You have to go with both.

 

The game I was at whenever the ref was asked why he didn't make the call his answer was that it wasn't in his area that he was watching. :lol:

 

Neither guy would accept responsibility. :lol:

Let's talk about calls that are never made, but there are rules for them

 

• a simultaneous foul/double foul: shooter drives the lane, while in the act of shooting is fouled at the same time by two defenders... go to the line and shoot 4! Has anyone ever seen it called?

 

• a clean block... nothing, absolutely nothing but ball, but the blocked shot is so "violent" and "severe" that it causes the shooter to fall hard to the ground... it can be called a foul!

 

• a timeout called by the coach whose team is on defense... they don't have the ball... if the refs blow the whistle, because they did not pay attention to who called the TO, the officials still have to award the TO.

 

• one more... if a player commits his 5th foul, but the table does not alert the refs that said player has fouled out, then any points scored by that player while still in the game count.

Regarding double-dribbling, the mantra I learned several decades ago was that simplified whether a player had double-dribbled the ball due to having bobbled it, was:

 

It is not double-dribble if you "bobble (the ball), dribble and bobble", but it is walking if you "dribble, bobble and dibble."

 

This would be assuming that the bobble wasn't created by a defensive player touching the ball.

Let's talk about calls that are never made, but there are rules for them

 

• a simultaneous foul/double foul: shooter drives the lane, while in the act of shooting is fouled at the same time by two defenders... go to the line and shoot 4! Has anyone ever seen it called?

 

• a clean block... nothing, absolutely nothing but ball, but the blocked shot is so "violent" and "severe" that it causes the shooter to fall hard to the ground... it can be called a foul!

 

• a timeout called by the coach whose team is on defense... they don't have the ball... if the refs blow the whistle, because they did not pay attention to who called the TO, the officials still have to award the TO.

 

• one more... if a player commits his 5th foul, but the table does not alert the refs that said player has fouled out, then any points scored by that player while still in the game count.

 

1. It's only 4 FTs if it was a multiple foul on a 3 point attempt. Otherwise it would be one shot per foul. Never seen it called.

2. I can't find anything in the rulebook to support your contention.

3. Correct. If the whistle is blown the TO is given to the D.

4. Correct. He's in the game until the table informs the officials that he has fouled out AND the officials have informed both the coach and the player.