Great thread Clyde. I have to admit I did not know the air ball rule. I have never seen it called that way nor do I want to. Pretty sure I don't like that rule. Seems like you are awarding the offensive guy for a bad shot.

Great thread Clyde. I have to admit I did not know the air ball rule. I have never seen it called that way nor do I want to. Pretty sure I don't like that rule. Seems like you are awarding the offensive guy for a bad shot.

 

Why would you punish him for missing a shot?

Tie game. A1 drives to basket and gets fouled on the floor. 8 seconds left. Table tells the officials it's only 6 fouls. Ball out of bounds to A. On throw-in A1 scores a bucket. A1 up 2. As the ball goes through the net horn blows. Desk says "My bad, that was actually the 7th foul." 4 seconds left.

 

What ya got?

Why would you punish him for missing a shot?

 

Not just missing a shot, missing it badly. If you shoot a shot that bad you know it immediately. I think this gives him a clear advantage to the rebound. If he runs in grabs it and lays it in. it is essentially a pass to himself.

Not just missing a shot, missing it badly. If you shoot a shot that bad you know it immediately. I think this gives him a clear advantage to the rebound. If he runs in grabs it and lays it in. it is essentially a pass to himself.

 

Almost every shooter knows when his shot is not going in. If it's a legit shot every player on the defense has a chance to go get it. The rule doesn't punish the kid for being the most aggressive.

Tie game. A1 drives to basket and gets fouled on the floor. 8 seconds left. Table tells the officials it's only 6 fouls. Ball out of bounds to A. On throw-in A1 scores a bucket. A1 up 2. As the ball goes through the net horn blows. Desk says "My bad, that was actually the 7th foul." 4 seconds left.

 

What ya got?

 

Just a guess but basket counts 4 seconds left and the ball goes to the other team.

Almost every shooter knows when his shot is not going in. If it's a legit shot every player on the defense has a chance to go get it. The rule doesn't punish the kid for being the most aggressive.

 

Yes but the ball hitting the rim evens the playing field. I just think the shooter gains a clear cut advantage. One of which he doesn't deserve for taking a bad shot.

Just a guess but basket counts 4 seconds left and the ball goes to the other team.

 

Basket is good and player gets 2 free throws for a chance to go up 4?

 

How bout this: A1 drives and B1 tries for a charge. One ref says charge and another ref says block simultaneously. The contact was on the shot and the shot was made. What's the call?

That is what I was referencing. I think it is seldom called.

 

This is a judgement call on the officials part, frequently coaches & fans think the continuous has been met. It is not an easy thing to slip a screen or keep a continuous in defense

1. Yes. Each official has a primary area that can change during the play.

2. In your travel/foul example the officials would get together and determine which came first. Ideally, if two officials blow their whistle at the same time they eyeball each other and communicate as to who makes the call - usually the person whose primary it is in. The worse case is the ol' "blarge" call where one official comes out strong with a charge/player control and the other signals a block. You can't override that. You have to go with both.

 

Should be covered in pre-game with officials. Typical with a double whistle is to defer to the primary. A blare should not occur if the officials are patient, make eye contact and defer to primary coverage area.

Let's talk about calls that are never made, but there are rules for them

 

• a simultaneous foul/double foul: shooter drives the lane, while in the act of shooting is fouled at the same time by two defenders... go to the line and shoot 4! Has anyone ever seen it called?

 

• a clean block... nothing, absolutely nothing but ball, but the blocked shot is so "violent" and "severe" that it causes the shooter to fall hard to the ground... it can be called a foul!

 

• a timeout called by the coach whose team is on defense... they don't have the ball... if the refs blow the whistle, because they did not pay attention to who called the TO, the officials still have to award the TO.

 

• one more... if a player commits his 5th foul, but the table does not alert the refs that said player has fouled out, then any points scored by that player while still in the game count.

 

For #2, a clean block up top, with an offensive player being knocked to floor, is not a clean block, ever. You either have body contact below that knocked an offensive player down, or potentially a jump ball if in contact with both offensive and defensive player. Fans and coaches tend to watch "up top" and most get mesmerized by the giant block, not seeing through the play.

Tie game. A1 drives to basket and gets fouled on the floor. 8 seconds left. Table tells the officials it's only 6 fouls. Ball out of bounds to A. On throw-in A1 scores a bucket. A1 up 2. As the ball goes through the net horn blows. Desk says "My bad, that was actually the 7th foul." 4 seconds left.

 

What ya got?

 

Basket is good and player gets 2 free throws for a chance to go up 4?

 

H

 

PP1 is correct. It was caught in the time allowed to correct the error. Rulebook says all action in between the missed FT and when it was caught stands. So count the basket. Clear the lane. A shoots a bonus. B then gets the ball. (assuming you don't have to T up B's coach who understandably might be upset).

 

How bout this: A1 drives and B1 tries for a charge. One ref says charge and another ref says block simultaneously. The contact was on the shot and the shot was made. What's the call?

 

Blarge/double foul. Count the basket. B gets the ball out of bounds. No FTs regardless of foul count.

Great thread Clyde. I have to admit I did not know the air ball rule. I have never seen it called that way nor do I want to. Pretty sure I don't like that rule. Seems like you are awarding the offensive guy for a bad shot.

The offensive guy gets credit for a terrible shot when a straight away 3-pointer is banked in. So it evens out.

A1 is shooting a FT. Ref bounces the ball and the other ref starts to count. A1 bounces the ball twice. On the third bounce A2 inexplicably leaves the lane vacating a spot. In order to avoid a lane violation, the coach for the A team calls timeout before A1 shoots the FT. Is coach awarded the timeout? We pulled this off at the Ludlow summer camp a few years back and was awarded the timeout.