For #2, a clean block up top, with an offensive player being knocked to floor, is not a clean block, ever. You either have body contact below that knocked an offensive player down, or potentially a jump ball if in contact with both offensive and defensive player. Fans and coaches tend to watch "up top" and most get mesmerized by the giant block, not seeing through the play.

Nope. Wrong. A 100% clean block... no body contact at all. The block is so hard it causes the offensive player to hit the floor hard... it can be called a foul. Would love to put some money on it

Nope. Wrong. A 100% clean block... no body contact at all. The block is so hard it causes the offensive player to hit the floor hard... it can be called a foul. Would love to put some money on it

 

Where is the contact that creates the foul ?

Nope. Wrong. A 100% clean block... no body contact at all. The block is so hard it causes the offensive player to hit the floor hard... it can be called a foul. Would love to put some money on it

 

Where is the contact that creates the foul ?

 

Ennam, I'm with BirdBrain. The key component in the definition of a "foul" is "contact."

A1 is shooting a FT. Ref bounces the ball and the other ref starts to count. A1 bounces the ball twice. On the third bounce A2 inexplicably leaves the lane vacating a spot. In order to avoid a lane violation, the coach for the A team calls timeout before A1 shoots the FT. Is coach awarded the timeout? We pulled this off at the Ludlow summer camp a few years back and was awarded the timeout.

 

That was handled incorrectly. Once the player moved from the lane it's a violation. It cannot be saved with a timeout.

Ennam, I'm with BirdBrain. The key component in the definition of a "foul" is "contact."

 

Since Clyde agrees, I'll take that bet now….what's your wager ? :dancingpa

One more thing I see regarding the "5 second call."

 

Often times I'll see a defender stick his arm straight out in an attempt to get a 5-second call going. Defender is thinking his hand is now within 6 feet so the count will start. Not true.

 

The tip of the toes to the tip of the other toes is what determines when the defender is close enough to start the count.

 

 

Another issue with the 5 second call that I think the refs tend to overlook is when a kid is heavily guarded and defense is switched, if he is still heavily guarded for a continues 5 seconds by both

Players it should be called 5 seconds.

That was handled incorrectly. Once the player moved from the lane it's a violation. It cannot be saved with a timeout.

 

The ref doesn't call the violation immediately, correct? They wait until after the free throw is attempted. If FT is good, no violation, if the FT is missed, violation is called and the player gets FT over again.

I had this happen to me in high school. I made a shot. The ref said I was fouled after the shot. I made both free throws. Four point play.

 

You landed. THus, you were no longer a shooter. If you got fouled at that point it's a common foul. Your basket counted. Now it's just a matter of determining whether it's a bonus FT or a throw-in. Usually this happens when you see either a) an excessive blockout by the defender or b)a defender running and jumping at the shooter but not making contact until the shooter has touched the floor.

Ennam, I'm with BirdBrain. The key component in the definition of a "foul" is "contact."

 

I will contact Doug and get the rule number for you. Since he has actually called this foul in games I'm 100% certain of it. If you will be at the Conner v Dixie game he can explain to you directly.

 

The thing that makes it a foul is because it is such a hard block it causes the shooter to fall to the ground really hard.

Question (maybe a little off topic):

 

Do officials concern themselves with who scratches them?

 

Good ones don't.

The ref doesn't call the violation immediately, correct? They wait until after the free throw is attempted. If FT is good, no violation, if the FT is missed, violation is called and the player gets FT over again.

 

It's immediate if the violation is on the shooting team. If it's on the non-shooting team then they wait.

What if the free throw shooter bounces the ball off their knee? Does the referee keep counting? Is it a lane violation if a rebounder steps in the lane to retrieve the ball

What if the free throw shooter bounces the ball off their knee? Does the referee keep counting? Is it a lane violation if a rebounder steps in the lane to retrieve the ball

 

If the official throws the ball to the shooter and he/she catches it cleanly and then subsequently drops it and cannot reach it it's a violation. If they do not catch it cleanly then it is given to them again.

Blarge/double foul. Count the basket. B gets the ball out of bounds. No FTs regardless of foul count.

 

How can the basket count if an offensive foul is reported? I would think it would be no basketball and AP since no team had control and both fouls were called.

I think the 5 second call is one that confuses fans and refs. And another thing I wish fans and refs had a better understanding of is that a loose ball does not mean you can spear a player on the floor. I've seen kids dive into a one or more players on the floor and if it was the NFL they would draw a 15 yard penalty.

 

This is one I don't ever see an official call. Seems like when there is a loose ball it's anything goes and the refs are just looking for an opportunity to call jump ball.