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Yeah most are not ready for that, TooL goes deeper than almost any bad out there, their songs are sooooo complex. Most every song has two meanings, a simple more literal meaning that is usually on a quirky, riske', taboo, or off the wall subject, and then another super deep meaning that is hidden behind the disguise of the simple meaning. A good example is the song "stinkfist", on the surface it seems as if it is a song about just a perverse sexual act, in reality it is meant to represent the notion people do not appreciate to get the significance of life. It's like we need something so intense and in your face just to have a wakeup call and realization we should be happy living life. It takes something to wake us up, I have to feel something to feel something. If that makes sense.

 

 

 

Very fascinating band though and super talented musically. Their song arrangements are so complex and technical, they play on many unique time signatures and other technical musical concepts. They are perfectionists when it comes to their art and it shows in the music, and live in person (they have an amazing show). With that said they are way deep into the occult stuff, especially sacred geometry. The drummer Danny Carey is probably the most fascinated as he has many original Crowley books and other things from the black arts. He actually sets his drum kit in a way to where it forms a certain sacred geometry pattern. There's a reason he does it like that to. I may not agree with everything they are into, but boy do they rock!

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....

 

 

Yeah most are not ready for that, TooL goes deeper than almost any bad out there, their songs are sooooo complex. Most every song has two meanings, a simple more literal meaning that is usually on a quirky, riske', taboo, or off the wall subject, and then another super deep meaning that is hidden behind the disguise of the simple meaning. A good example is the song "stinkfist", on the surface it seems as if it is a song about just a perverse sexual act, in reality it is meant to represent the notion people do not appreciate to get the significance of life. It's like we need something so intense and in your face just to have a wakeup call and realization we should be happy living life. It takes something to wake us up, I have to feel something to feel something. If that makes sense.

 

 

 

Very fascinating band though and super talented musically. Their song arrangements are so complex and technical, they play on many unique time signatures and other technical musical concepts. They are perfectionists when it comes to their art and it shows in the music, and live in person (they have an amazing show). With that said they are way deep into the occult stuff, especially sacred geometry. The drummer Danny Carey is probably the most fascinated as he has many original Crowley books and other things from the black arts. He actually sets his drum kit in a way to where it forms a certain sacred geometry pattern. There's a reason he does it like that to. I may not agree with everything they are into, but boy do they rock!

 

That's interesting about stinkfist. I just always took the if for the perverse meaning. His songs about his mom and his feelings concerning Christianity are actually well done. I don't necessarily agree with them all but I thought he nailed it with 10,000 Days. Vicarious is another one I thought told an interesting story and was pretty much on point.

But ah, where we differ is I feel that is the importance of music. I feel a lot of people listen to music just to listen to it, hence why there is so much pop/pop country garbage on the airwaves. In fact it's so bad I don't even listen to FM radio anymore, strictly SiriusXM, my ipod, or iTunes radio. Most people only care about a beat they can bob their head to and tap their feet to or catchy hook to sing along with. I feel the true artists can connect with you on an emotional level, make you feel the song to the point its not a song anymore its a musical journey. So you see if you listen to the right bands, the words (along with everything else in the song, riffs, bass, drums, etc.) are everything. That is the point of it, what is this song saying, what does it mean to me. If you've ever "felt" the music and been "in tune" with the music you know what I'm talking about. I'm talking so into it that it gives you chills. I've listened to so much TooL over the last 15 years or so (over half my life) that I've heard all their stuff thousands of times. With that said I can sometimes still get chills in the moment when the right song comes on at the right time. Chills, hair's standing on in. That's when you can tell you are getting something out of the music.

 

Yeah maybe but I love that kind of stuff. Not just the lyrics themselves but where they come from. I usually despise that kind of literary criticism, but I really enjoy it with music lyrics. For example, one of my favorite hymns for years has been "Abide With Me". It's a beautiful hymn about placing faith in God and asking him to be at your side in a time of great grief and despair. But only within the last year or so did I learn that that the author of the lyrics wrote them at a time when he lay dying of tuberculosis. He only lived for another couple weeks after finishing the work. For me, it added something profound to the tune beyond even the truth of the words themselves. I enjoy that kind of knowledge with a lot of other music.

 

 

I was actually mostly kidding with the that post. If I really like a song I almost always look up the lyrics just to see what I think it means. Then normally I will try and find if the band ever said what it means. I think it makes the song much better if there is a real meaning behind. Gives you a sense of what the artist was feeling when they wrote it. I mentioned Tool because their songs typically have such strong stories behind them.

However, early man and Aborigines people have only 42&2.

 

I thought the part about aborigines only having 42 and 2 chromosomes was a myth?

That's interesting about stinkfist. I just always took the if for the perverse meaning. His songs about his mom and his feelings concerning Christianity are actually well done. I don't necessarily agree with them all but I thought he nailed it with 10,000 Days. Vicarious is another one I thought told an interesting story and was pretty much on point.

 

Yeah Vicarious is awesome (but to me it all is but I'm a fan)! We all live vicariously sometimes and this song does a good job of exposing it, calling it out for what it is.

 

 

Other songs that rock your socks and have good meaning is the combo of Parabol/Parabola. Listen to those two back to back and tell me you don't get chills when it kicks off into Parabola.

 

 

But musically they are as good as it gets IMO. Again I've never agreed with all of their concepts and view points but I do agree with a lot of their stances. They have been pretty harsh towards Christianity and most religions since their inception, but 10,000 days softened up on that a little bit (I think it had to do with finally accepting his moms death as where MJK was angry when it first happened and took it out on God as is seen from his other band A Perfect Circle's tune Judith). That was my only knock on them, but as they grew less dark and more spiritual the jabs at religion weren't as in your face so I have been able to stay cool with them. Song's like Opiate and some of their older stuff kind of sting as a Christian, but I can still take a song like that and rock it literally as Jesus Christ has opened my eyes with his light. I think the point they were making in that song is some of those in power in religion use it to their advantage to manipulate people and do the wrong things. I think the song is more less a shot at them (wrote during the height of the Roman Catholic sexual scandals of the early 90's).

 

 

Also about TooL, they are not the type of band you can listen to a song here, song there. It is meant to be listened to cover to cover, the entire album is the work, they don't really go for singles. The entire album fits together like a puzzle, or the way I describe it a movie without words. There is a build up, a climax, grand finale, etc. All tied into one. You have to listen to the whole thing to really understand it.

I thought the part about aborigines only having 42 and 2 chromosomes was a myth?

 

It may be, I just always heard that speculated in the 46&2 discussions.

It may be, I just always heard that speculated in the 46&2 discussions.

 

It isn't true. They wouldn't be human if they only had 42&2. At least human as we know.

Yeah Vicarious is awesome (but to me it all is but I'm a fan)! We all live vicariously sometimes and this song does a good job of exposing it, calling it out for what it is.

 

 

Other songs that rock your socks and have good meaning is the combo of Parabol/Parabola. Listen to those two back to back and tell me you don't get chills when it kicks off into Parabola.

 

 

But musically they are as good as it gets IMO. Again I've never agreed with all of their concepts and view points but I do agree with a lot of their stances. They have been pretty harsh towards Christianity and most religions since their inception, but 10,000 days softened up on that a little bit (I think it had to do with finally accepting his moms death as where MJK was angry when it first happened and took it out on God as is seen from his other band A Perfect Circle's tune Judith). That was my only knock on them, but as they grew less dark and more spiritual the jabs at religion weren't as in your face so I have been able to stay cool with them. Song's like Opiate and some of their older stuff kind of sting as a Christian, but I can still take a song like that and rock it literally as Jesus Christ has opened my eyes with his light. I think the point they were making in that song is some of those in power in religion use it to their advantage to manipulate people and do the wrong things. I think the song is more less a shot at them (wrote during the height of the Roman Catholic sexual scandals of the early 90's).

 

 

Also about TooL, they are not the type of band you can listen to a song here, song there. It is meant to be listened to cover to cover, the entire album is the work, they don't really go for singles. The entire album fits together like a puzzle, or the way I describe it a movie without words. There is a build up, a climax, grand finale, etc. All tied into one. You have to listen to the whole thing to really understand it.

 

I was going to mention Judith. It was obvious he was in a different place in dealing with his mom's death when he wrote that song as opposed to 10,000 Days.

I was going to mention Judith. It was obvious he was in a different place in dealing with his mom's death when he wrote that song as opposed to 10,000 Days.

 

Yeah thats the vibe I've got. I have argued some of my athiest friends about what is going on there with that. I kind of got the impression he was starting to finally see things as his mother did (he likened her to a saint in that she was as strong in her faith through adversities even most priests or popes do not have to go through), as she was very much a Christian. It was kind of like he may have started to open his eyes and accept her religion, but they argue that he is just not as angry at God for taking her away. Either way I think its clear he softened up his stance.

I promise this will be the last one, this is actually from the show I was at and was one of the best nights of my life. The song is Lateralus, for those unfamilar it is based on the fibonacci sequence which is a concept that almost everything in nature can be traced back to the fibonacci and things such as Pi and the Golden Ratio. This song pretty much represents one big Fibonacci sequence.

 

 

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It isn't true. They wouldn't be human if they only had 42&2. At least human as we know.

 

Yeah I think that's the point is somehow they are still a tribal people that are more closely related to prehistoric man and not modern man. But again I'm sure it is a myth. I just always heard that.

All this talk about Tool and the meaning of lyrics just reinforces why I like country music. You can just like a song because the lyrics speak to you. No need to try to decipher to the lyrics mean. I the artist sings that his dog dies and he's gonna get drunk, than it means his dog died and he's gonna get drunk. I can relate.

 

This being said I do like other forms of music but mostly becasue of how the song sounds. I connect with country music lyrically but with other forms of music it really is just the sound. I like several Peral Jam songs. I have no idea what they are about or even what some the lyrics are

All this talk about Tool and the meaning of lyrics just reinforces why I like country music. You can just like a song because the lyrics speak to you. No need to try to decipher to the lyrics mean. I the artist sings that his dog dies and he's gonna get drunk, than it means his dog died and he's gonna get drunk. I can relate.

 

This being said I do like other forms of music but mostly becasue of how the song sounds. I connect with country music lyrically but with other forms of music it really is just the sound. I like several Peral Jam songs. I have no idea what they are about or even what some the lyrics are

 

Yeah all Pearl Jam's stuff is pretty catchy and you can really vibe on it no matter if you need a Eddie Vedder rosetta stone.

 

 

As for country, or new/pop country (as I refer to it) I think that's part of the reason I don't like it. It's just way to simple and I feel that it almost all sounds the same. Once you've heard one new country song you've heard them all IMO. I just need something with a little more substance, something that gets your wheels going and makes you think outside of the box. The band TooL, I've heard referred to as thinking man's metal and I can clearly see that, it does make you think. Plus that's where the bands name came from, they are supposed to be a "tool" to open your mind or to help make you a better person.

 

 

With that said obviously everyone has their own musical preference and that's awesome because if we were all the same the world would suck even more. So just because I don't like it doesn't mean it really is horrible becuase it's all a matter of opinion anyway. I do love some older country though. Give me some Bocephus, Hank Sr., Cash, Haggard, Waylon, Keith Whitley. Now that stuff I can handle, I actually love it. But this new stuff, count me out, it all sounds the same.

Rob Gronkowski just threw up the Roc after he scored.

Rob Gronkowski just threw up the Roc after he scored.

 

Then again, he may have just learned it from a porn star, so he's probably safe.