In that respect, you're not wrong. Certainly in the eyes of those who follow most faiths around the world and in the eyes of those whose philosophy is aligned with some form of secular humanism, the concept of "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law" is pretty perverse. It speaks to a self-indulgence that is not only harmful to the individual but the people around them.

 

Exactly, it goes along with the theory we are our own gods there for we can do whatever we want. Enjoy all the pleasures of life without worrying about any kind of consequences. It is very much an anti-Christian notion and concept, and that is why it is so prevelant in all these occult and anti Christian establishments.

If you all can't see it then oh well so what, at least I tried. What you all don't understand is it's not like they are trying to draw attention to it or come out and say hey look at me, look at this sign or symbol. The point is not that many people are supposed to know what it means, or not that many people out there can spot the subtle hints. That's why they do it, people don't even know what they're looking at. The more people start noticing the more they try to hide these things. It's not something they are trying to draw 100% of the populations attention to, it's things most people would not even recognize. So to say there is little evidence that any of these mega stars are doing this means that perhaps you're not sure what to look for? Or what it means? So since you don't know what it is, what to look for, or even what it means, it must not exist simply because I don't understand it. That's America's rationale in today's society, if I don't understand something it must not be right.

 

Dude, saying something like Jay-Z's Roc originated as a satanic symbol and is therefore what it means ipso facto is silly. Just because some high school virgins make these hand symbols or whatever doesn't mean that's where they originated or is the reason they're being used.

 

But, this is the why your views are considered conspiratorial: What evidence is there that someone like Jay-Z is some kind of satanists or is being forced into it by some type of all-powerful hidden society? You're wildly speculating.

And again for those who feel Jay-Z's innocent and incapable of doing any wrong whatsoever.

 

Here you have one of the most significant symbols of the church of satan. If you pay attention above the 666 lettering at the bottom and read what it says, it is the Crowley "Do what thou wilt" quote. In the second picture is again Jay-Z wearing his own clothing lines version of the phrase. So like I have said a couple of times, even if he's really not down like that, isn't it just as bad to be a poser or think its cool to use this phrase knowing where it comes from and what it means to those who cherish it? If he really has no bad intentions isn't it just as bad he would even wear it?

 

 

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To me there are several things going on in this thread and IMO it's caused your point to become confusing. You started with a topic of the occult influences in the entertainment world. It then started shifting to a topic there is an illuminati that is ruining celebs that don't along then become muddy with intertwining the occult and illuminati. Now we've pretty much arrived at celebs that are worshiping satan. Are you saying illuminati, occult, and satan worshipers are one in the same?

 

1. As far as the illuminati go ruining people, I'm not buying it. Doesn't make any sense. There are too many that are just fine, why ruin some and not others. I know you said it's because others reject them early on. Wouldn't that be even more reason to ruin those people? The whole theory has too many holes.

2. celebs in the occult or worshiping satan. You've made a pretty good case for it however some of your points are rendered void by other points. You say they aren't obvious about it and try to be subtle yet you have a pic of JayZ with a shirt from his clothing line displaying a popular phase from the founder of the church of satan. Doesn't get much more obvious then that.

3. If everything you say is true why are there so many black celebs worshiping satan?

 

In the end none of this means squat. If someone is worshiping satan so what. It's their life. Demons aren't going rise up and take over and society isn't going to fall because of it.

In the end none of this means squat. If someone is worshiping satan so what. It's their life. Demons aren't going rise up and take over and society isn't going to fall because of it.

 

Ah but regardless of the symbols and the imagery, is it not possible that this is a symptom of a culture so self-centered and self-indulgent that civilized society actually is in trouble? It's no coincidence that the seven deadly sins are almost entirely sins of indulgence, sins of giving into momentary pleasures or impulses to the point that they shut out a desire to live for a higher purpose or to live a life in service of the rest of humanity.

 

I don't believe we're at that point; the human spirit is remarkably resilient. But looking at this imagery as a symptom rather than a clue toward a cause could certainly indicate popular culture is not in a healthy place.

Dude, saying something like Jay-Z's Roc originated as a satanic symbol and is therefore what it means ipso facto is silly. Just because some high school virgins make these hand symbols or whatever doesn't mean that's where they originated or is the reason they're being used.

 

But, this is the why your views are considered conspiratorial: What evidence is there that someone like Jay-Z is some kind of satanists or is being forced into it by some type of all-powerful hidden society? You're wildly speculating.

 

If you can't notice the symbolism through the things I've posted about him then I don't know what to tell you. Like I've said a couple times now, even if the dudes faking it and not down, isn't it just as bad he would use known occult/satanic imagery (even with his own clothing line). Like I have tried to tell you guys, Jay-Z is very fascinated and into Crowley and the occult, look it up. IMO I would almost consider him a Crowley disciple. If you cannot see the ties to Crowley and the Occult I do not know what to say.

Ah but regardless of the symbols and the imagery, is it not possible that this is a symptom of a culture so self-centered and self-indulgent that civilized society actually is in trouble? It's no coincidence that the seven deadly sins are almost entirely sins of indulgence, sins of giving into momentary pleasures or impulses to the point that they shut out a desire to live for a higher purpose or to live a life in service of the rest of humanity.

 

I don't believe we're at that point; the human spirit is remarkably resilient. But looking at this imagery as a symptom rather than a clue toward a cause could certainly indicate popular culture is not in a healthy place.

 

:thumb:

 

 

When we've reached the point that this stuff is no big deal and people don't even bat an eye at it, then society is in a pretty bad spot.

I pray I'm not the only one on here who has no idea what occultism.

To me there are several things going on in this thread and IMO it's caused your point to become confusing. You started with a topic of the occult influences in the entertainment world. It then started shifting to a topic there is an illuminati that is ruining celebs that don't along then become muddy with intertwining the occult and illuminati. Now we've pretty much arrived at celebs that are worshiping satan. Are you saying illuminati, occult, and satan worshipers are one in the same?

 

1. As far as the illuminati go ruining people, I'm not buying it. Doesn't make any sense. There are too many that are just fine, why ruin some and not others. I know you said it's because others reject them early on. Wouldn't that be even more reason to ruin those people? The whole theory has too many holes.

2. celebs in the occult or worshiping satan. You've made a pretty good case for it however some of your points are rendered void by other points. You say they aren't obvious about it and try to be subtle yet you have a pic of JayZ with a shirt from his clothing line displaying a popular phase from the founder of the church of satan. Doesn't get much more obvious then that.

3. If everything you say is true why are there so many black celebs worshiping satan?

 

In the end none of this means squat. If someone is worshiping satan so what. It's their life. Demons aren't going rise up and take over and society isn't going to fall because of it.

 

 

 

First of I never wanted to make this an "illuminati" thing. I hate the phrase illuminati, it gets twisted so much that anything relating to illuminati has to be void because it has just got so far out of control.

 

 

But to your point about occultists/satanists/illuminati (in theory), they all are similar in that their views are typically an inversion of Christianity. Views that are in direct opposition. Their concepts are to be against God, and like I have explained (Getslow as well) they feel they are gods themselves, they are their own gods. They believe in their own power, not the power of a divine God. They feel you should do whatever you want and enjoy the the over indulgences of life.

 

2.) The picture of Jay-Z with the Crowley quoted shirt was from years ago. This type of imagery used to be way more in your face, but has since been toned down the more people catch on to it. As the subtleness I am talking about a lot of these pop stars when they perform or record music videos. It's not things that are usually in your face to where you can see it plainly, but a lot of times they will hide stuff in plain sight, only more subtle. You really have to look for it. An example being a lot of starlets who work an inverted cross into the front drift of their outfit, or a baphomet form/shape in their outfit. To the untrained eye it can just look like slits in the wardrobe to bare skin, when you look at the shapes though it is there. So that's what I meant by being subtle. Sometimes you get the imagery straight up in your face, sometimes it is disguised. Nowadays a lot of this stuff is becoming more disguised because more people are noticing. A recent example is Miley's new eye of horus tatoo on one of her fingers, it's very small. They often times wear necklaces, bracelets, rings, and other jewelry where the imagery is hard to spot.

 

 

3.) I don't know the answer, but I would assume for money, power, fame, and wealth. The same reason anyone would.

 

 

 

As for your last statement, society is already starting to fall if you haven't noticed.

 

 

 

But overall my point from the beginning was to just show people that this stuff is wrong and we should not have it blasted in our faces. That was it, the only purpose. To show people these symbols and imagery and try to enlighten them about their origins and how celebs are using this imagery. I was only trying to show people that it is wrong, and by knowing it's wrong you can see it and say. "wow thats not good", instead of just following some of these stars blindly thinking everything they do is okay. Again, if I reached one person and made them see some of this stuff is wrong, then I've done my job. I posed the Chappelle videos and other videos just to show that something bad seems to happen to some of these people who try to break away from their fame, I just felt it went along with the topic although it didn't really go with the flow of my intention.

 

So I apologize for not really keeping this organized and making my points hard to follow. Just know a lot of the points people have took from this are just twisted views of what I was trying to get across. Or a simple misunderstanding. Again, my main intention and purpose was to show that some of this stuff is bad, it's up to you all to see for yourself whether you feel it is or isn't. Personally I don't think we should have all this shoved in our face and I am trying to take a stand against it. Hence the thread, hence my purpose all along.

dolamite,

 

It seems like you've really read a lot about Jay-Z. If you haven't yet, check out his stuff with regard to the Five Percent Nation or the Nation of Gods and Earths. Fascinating stuff in that group, and it relates a lot to what you just talked about above with the notion that every man is his own god.

 

References to that group are ALL OVER hip-hop, though I think it's more of a pride in being black than a true occult thing for most of those talking about the group.

I pray I'm not the only one on here who has no idea what occultism.

 

 

 

occult

 

Houghton Mifflin

 

adj.adjective

1.

Of, relating to, or dealing with supernatural influences, agencies, or phenomena.

 

2.

Beyond the realm of human comprehension; inscrutable.

 

3.

Available only to the initiate; secret.

 

occult lore.

 

4.

Hidden from view; concealed.

 

5.

Detectable only by microscopic examination or chemical analysis, as a minute blood sample.

 

6.

Not accompanied by readily detectable signs or symptoms.

 

occult carcinoma.

 

 

 

n.noun

1.

Occult practices or techniques.

 

a student of the occult.

 

 

 

v.verb

1.

To conceal or cause to disappear from view.

 

2.

To conceal by occultation.

 

The moon occulted Mars.

 

3.

To become concealed or extinguished at regular intervals.

 

a lighthouse beacon that occults every 45 seconds.

 

 

 

Variation

 

 

v.: occulted,occulting,occults

^ Maybe I should have began the thread with that, I just assumed most knew what it was. Sorry about that.

If you can't notice the symbolism through the things I've posted about him then I don't know what to tell you. Like I've said a couple times now, even if the dudes faking it and not down, isn't it just as bad he would use known occult/satanic imagery (even with his own clothing line). Like I have tried to tell you guys, Jay-Z is very fascinated and into Crowley and the occult, look it up. IMO I would almost consider him a Crowley disciple. If you cannot see the ties to Crowley and the Occult I do not know what to say.

 

Even if one accepted that one of the artists you mentioned is a full-fledged follower of the Church of Satan instead of being subversive or rebellious, that still is not evidence of some sort of all-powerful group of satanists controlling artists behind the scenes. Like woodsrider, I'm just confused about what you're trying to convince us of at this point.

"Occult" is derived from a Latin word that literally means "hidden" or "secret". The concept of hidden knowledge is as old as knowledge itself.

 

It can lead you into occult studies, secret history, conspiracy theory and all sorts of places.

dolamite,

 

It seems like you've really read a lot about Jay-Z. If you haven't yet, check out his stuff with regard to the Five Percent Nation or the Nation of Gods and Earths. Fascinating stuff in that group, and it relates a lot to what you just talked about above with the notion that every man is his own god.

 

References to that group are ALL OVER hip-hop, though I think it's more of a pride in being black than a true occult thing for most of those talking about the group.

 

Yeah Hip-Hop is sooooooo tainted right now, it's crazy really. I mean it really is getting out of hand. I know a lot are just doing it to fit in, be cool, or be a part of the fad, but this isn't a fad they should be rocking this hard. Plenty of old school rappers are coming out and talking smack on the new school for even taking it to this point.

 

 

I will definitely have to check all of that out.

Ah but regardless of the symbols and the imagery, is it not possible that this is a symptom of a culture so self-centered and self-indulgent that civilized society actually is in trouble? It's no coincidence that the seven deadly sins are almost entirely sins of indulgence, sins of giving into momentary pleasures or impulses to the point that they shut out a desire to live for a higher purpose or to live a life in service of the rest of humanity.

 

I don't believe we're at that point; the human spirit is remarkably resilient. But looking at this imagery as a symptom rather than a clue toward a cause could certainly indicate popular culture is not in a healthy place.

 

I think this would be interesting in a thread it's own.