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When we've reached the point that this stuff is no big deal and people don't even bat an eye at it, then society is in a pretty bad spot.

 

Been there for years. Jay Z is the greatest rapper ever. I'll throw up the Roc at his concert when I go. I'd even wear the do what thou wilt t-shirt because I like the idea of doing what you want to do. I also attend church with my wife from time to time and when I can't make it she'll share the sermon with me and we'll discuss it together. Point being, I love Jay Z's work and I find some things he symbolizes pretty cool regardless of its meaning.

Even if one accepted that one of the artists you mentioned is a full-fledged follower of the Church of Satan instead of being subversive or rebellious, that still is not evidence of some sort of all-powerful group of satanists controlling artists behind the scenes. Like woodsrider, I'm just confused about what you're trying to convince us of at this point.

 

That what they're doing is wrong basically, or not of God, or against Christianity pretty much. That's what I'm trying to say, that was my purpose this whole time. Even if they are just being subversive or rebellious I'm not sure it's a good thing to rebel in this way. A lot of big time Hollywood stars are doing some dark stuff and influencing other people that it's okay to do the stuff. I'm just trying to make people aware that this is not good, it's not good for society, it's not good for anyone. Even if it doesn't effect you, it does effect you (if that makes sense). It effects everybody.

 

 

 

The notion about an all powerful group of satanists is what got twisted in my argument. I don't think one group like this is running the entertainment business. I don't think they're all in one big plot together. However, my personal belief is some have sold out for fortune and fame and a lot of them share the same love for the occult/satanism/etc. Even if they're not connected to one group, I feel that a lot of them share the same ideas, views, agenda, etc.

Been there for years. Jay Z is the greatest rapper ever. I'll throw up the Roc at his concert when I go. I'd even wear the do what thou wilt t-shirt because I like the idea of doing what you want to do. I also attend church with my wife from time to time and when I can't make it she'll share the sermon with me and we'll discuss it together. Point being, I love Jay Z's work and I find some things he symbolizes pretty cool regardless of its meaning.

 

 

 

See I can relate because I still appreciate the music of Led Zep. TooL, Slayer, Pantera, acts like that. I just like them for the music, not the ideas or lifestyle. Heck, I still listen to Jay Z (even though I think he's into/fascinated by some dark stuff)

 

 

 

Just know you can wear and support Crowley stuff all you want, but I just can't go down that road just because I like an artist. As for the point of doing what you want, that's not entirely the meaning that's a misinterpretation of the meaning. It basically means do what you want in your will, not Gods will. Basically who cares what God say's is right or wrong, do it anyway you don't answer to him you answer to yourself. Not simply do what you want because it's fun.

^ Maybe I should have began the thread with that, I just assumed most knew what it was. Sorry about that.

 

Well I had an idea this is what you were talking about but wanted to make sure before I went through the whole thread lol.

I will start this with I've read only a little about Crowley.

 

That said, lumping Crowley in with Lavey doesn't seem to fit. Crowley wasn't a devil worshiper or would I necessarily consider him an occultist. As a matter of fact would it not be fair to say he didn't even believe in satan being he dismissed the Christian teachings as false. He was heavily influenced with the Egyptian theology and Thelema was more about man being his own god. Which seems to fit well with what you are saying and posting about Jay Z and the saying on his shirt. "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. Love is the law, love under will." I will also add he seems to be a bit of a nut ball (probably a whole lot of a nut ball).

I have the most bizarre internet history thanks to this thread. :lol2:

I will start this with I've read only a little about Crowley.

 

That said, lumping Crowley in with Lavey doesn't seem to fit. Crowley wasn't a devil worshiper or would I necessarily consider him an occultist. As a matter of fact would it not be fair to say he didn't even believe in satan being he dismissed the Christian teachings as false. He was heavily influenced with the Egyptian theology and Thelema was more about man being his own god. Which seems to fit well with what you are saying and posting about Jay Z and the saying on his shirt. "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. Love is the law, love under will." I will also add he seems to be a bit of a nut ball (probably a whole lot of a nut ball).

 

Crowley did not earn the name "wickedest man on earth" without reason. He did embrace a lot of it on his own and in all actuality probably wasn't as wicked as he was made out to be. At the time people did not really know about the stuff he was into so they were scared of him. Kind of like the Salem witch trials, only more modern. He was looked at like a witch basically. But no matter what you can say about him one thing is for sure, the man had a vast knowledge of the ancient sacred/forgotten religions and he knew more on the occult than almost anyone. I don't agree with your notion he wasn't an occultist, he was an occultist in every sense of the word. In fact, most occultists use his works as the premise for their beliefs. He would be kind of like John, Luke, or any of the other guys who wrote the Bible, only to the occult. Many of his books are treasured and must reads for occultists. In a sense you could almost call Crowley the father of modern occultism. Even though it's been around for thousands of years, he brought it into the modern psyche.

 

 

Also even though LeVey and Crowley had some differing view points, they both basically had the same concept in believing they were their own gods and there was no such thing as a true Divine God. Once again, satanism and the church of satan isn't necisarily about worshipping an entity that is the devil, but rather being opposed directly to Christianity. Here's where I tie the two together as both's agendas were against Christianity and an inversion of the Christian faith. Both have very occultic ties and references and expressed them in their works.

I have the most bizarre internet history thanks to this thread. :lol2:

 

I could only imagine. It took me forever to go back and delete all these horrible pictures from my computer, I didn't want them saved on there.

Hopefully no one can say Gaga doesn't take part in this. Also don't try to tell me she is just flashing the 3 goggles......

 

 

 

 

 

Inverted cross, 666 hand sign, eye of horus, mocking of Christianity, what else could you want.....

Here's a good example of what I am saying about the subtleness. Here you have Ke$ha, but look closely at her mid section and you will see an inverted cross worked into the wardrobe. You see this type of stuff a lot.....

 

 

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Here's an example of Beyonce rocking something subtle. For one a ring (most people wouldn't pay attention to), and the other examples are baphomet worked into her dress. Look at the midsection.

 

 

Edited November 20, 201312 yr by dolamite

If you can't find it for yourself, here's a little help.....

 

 

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