Clyde Posted November 18, 2013 Posted November 18, 2013 Too simplistic of a message. It's not an either/or proposition.
Dlbdonn Posted November 18, 2013 Posted November 18, 2013 Too simplistic of a message. It's not an either/or proposition. To a lot of so-called Christians it is .
Twotoplace Posted November 18, 2013 Posted November 18, 2013 Excellent, thought-provoking message from an honorable man.
woodsrider Posted November 18, 2013 Posted November 18, 2013 Excellent, thought-provoking message from an honorable man. That's a really nice thing for you say about John Fugelsang.
kypride Posted November 18, 2013 Posted November 18, 2013 Too bad the logic is flawed and a large majority of Christians vote conservative because that matches our philosophy much more closely.
All Tell Posted November 18, 2013 Posted November 18, 2013 I'm sure that all the "Good Christian Liberals" here give all they have to charity and don't do ANYTHING to reduce their tax liability. You know selfish things like taking deductions for mortgage interest and charitable donations and stuff like that. After all if paying taxes to help the poor is the "Christian" thing to do then I'm certain the "Good Christian Liberals" that are among us wouldn't do anything that would selfishly reduce the amount of money they pay in taxes.
Randy Parker Posted November 18, 2013 Posted November 18, 2013 Too simplistic of a message. It's not an either/or proposition. This.
4chs Posted November 18, 2013 Posted November 18, 2013 I have no problem with helping the poor, it's just what I'm helping some of them to do is what bothers me.
Bluegrasscard Posted November 18, 2013 Posted November 18, 2013 Jimmy Carter seems to believe that only government can provide charity. He ignores the Christian-based charities that do this work without government. In his eyes, as with most 'big-government' backers, government should replace the role of religious-based charity efforts. Penn from Penn and Teller was on Stossell last night talking about the rise of libertarianism. He made the point that often people will cite that 20% (1 in 5) live below the poverty level as a reason that the government should be a big player in the redistribution game and how that goes against the libertarian view that government should keep a minimal role in all things - including providing institutional safety nets. He said what that statistic really means is that there are 4 of 5 people who can help the 1 in 5. And most of them do this every day and every week - without the government. Government has a role. But should it be THE only player? No. If anything. government policies have lead to long term institutionalized poverty. The historical record leaves no doubt on that basic fact.
Twotoplace Posted November 18, 2013 Posted November 18, 2013 I'm sure that all the "Good Christian Liberals" here give all they have to charity and don't do ANYTHING to reduce their tax liability. You know selfish things like taking deductions for mortgage interest and charitable donations and stuff like that. After all if paying taxes to help the poor is the "Christian" thing to do then I'm certain the "Good Christian Liberals" that are among us wouldn't do anything that would selfishly reduce the amount of money they pay in taxes. Need more good Christian CEOs, too.
Jumper_Dad Posted November 18, 2013 Posted November 18, 2013 Need more good Christian CEOs, too. Explain, do you think they should pay more taxes from their companies? Give more to charity? What does your post mean?
FarBeyondDriven Posted November 18, 2013 Posted November 18, 2013 Jimmy Carter seems to believe that only government can provide charity. He ignores the Christian-based charities that do this work without government. In his eyes, as with most 'big-government' backers, government should replace the role of religious-based charity efforts. Penn from Penn and Teller was on Stossell last night talking about the rise of libertarianism. He made the point that often people will cite that 20% (1 in 5) live below the poverty level as a reason that the government should be a big player in the redistribution game and how that goes against the libertarian view that government should keep a minimal role in all things - including providing institutional safety nets. He said what that statistic really means is that there are 4 of 5 people who can help the 1 in 5. And most of them do this every day and every week - without the government. Government has a role. But should it be THE only player? No. If anything. government policies have lead to long term institutionalized poverty. The historical record leaves no doubt on that basic fact. Good post. I have noticed that rarely, does anyone try to refute what you say.
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