August 21, 201313 yr What are you talking about? It said this at the top of the post: [h=2]3 African American Teens shoot and kill Oklahoma Baseball Player[/h]
August 21, 201313 yr It said this at the top of the post: [h=2]3 African American Teens shoot and kill Oklahoma Baseball Player[/h] Yeah, I know. Did you not read my post, or are you just trying to be argumenative for the hell of it? I said "until you guys brought it up" meaning this thread. That post was the 1st time the race of any of the individuals involved was brought up.
August 21, 201313 yr Yeah, I know. Did you not read my post, or are you just trying to be argumenative for the hell of it? I said "until you guys brought it up" meaning this thread. That post was the 1st time the race of any of the individuals involved was brought up. Not being argumentative. Didn't know if you saw it since I merged the two threads. Race was in the title. I still don't see how with as little info as is given in the articles that you can dismiss the racial undertone in the murder. Again, have to wonder if they'd have whacked a black jogger.
August 21, 201313 yr Not being argumentative. Didn't know if you saw it since I merged the two threads. Race was in the title. I still don't see how with as little info as is given in the articles that you can dismiss the racial undertone in the murder. Again, have to wonder if they'd have whacked a black jogger. So, in your mind, anytime a white guy murders a black guy or a black guy murders a white guy, there's racial undertones? Maybe we haven't progressed as much as I thought as a society.
August 21, 201313 yr So, in your mind, anytime a white guy murders a black guy or a black guy murders a white guy, there's racial undertones? Maybe we haven't progressed as much as I thought as a society. Not saying that at all. But considering the animosity with the Martin case where a kid was "profiled", I don't see much difference. For the record, I agree with your premise that evil is just that. However, recent events have essentially redefined what we considered racism whether you like it or not. I just don't like how it's only one way. I have to think had it been totally opposite, this would be another front page money grab by the media (social and otherwise) as a racial killing. Do you disagree with that?
August 21, 201313 yr Not saying that at all. But considering the animosity with the Martin case where a kid was "profiled", I don't see much difference. For the record, I agree with your premise that evil is just that. However, recent events have essentially redefined what we considered racism whether you like it or not. I just don't like how it's only one way. I have to think had it been totally opposite, this would be another front page money grab by the media (social and otherwise) as a racial killing. Do you disagree with that? I already said it most likely would be portrayed that way. Doesn't make it racially motivated here or in that instance though.
August 21, 201313 yr I already said it most likely would be portrayed that way. Doesn't make it racially motivated here or in that instance though. I agree with you on the first point. But I'd like to really know what the conversation amongst the 3 was before I made a blanket statement though.
August 21, 201313 yr Christopher Lane, Australian baseball player, killed by "bored" Okla. teens, police say - Crimesider - CBS News I don't know about anyone else, but when I was growing up... sure you heard of shootings in the news now and then, very few locally, but mostly it appeared that bigger cities like New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles were where the more threatening issues occurred, but for the most part those average citizens who owned guns had hunting rifles for no other reason than the sport of hunting. The "Right to bear arms" was something we learned in school that was part of our Constitution, but from a historical perspective, it seemed to be placed there during the early part of our country's history when everyone owned a gun as a means to protecting their land or livestock. In the growing urban demographic of the 20th Century, it appeared that having a gun was no longer a necessary thing for the average citizen. During my childhood, I never really ever heard much of the average citizen owing a handgun, and the idea of someone having one conjured up scary thoughts of that person being a bad person or a criminal. It seemed to be an accepted reality that the only trustworthy people with handguns were police officers there to protect us from the random bad person toting one around. Certainly since the 1960's until today there has been a steady increase in crime in the cities and the degeneration of society where more and more thugs perpetrate violence and murder, creating a more unsafe atmosphere for the average law abiding citizens who just want to live free without such threat. Criminals are becoming more and more bold with their relentless tactics which display an absolute complete lack of respect for life, and show no conscience whatsoever. This present day face of crime has given rise to the argument that average citizens deserve the right to be permitted to own a handgun for their protection with the thought that if so many criminals have them then we should as well. It's really hard to argue that point and many folks who might not have ever thought of purchasing a gun before have now done so. Now we've arrived at a time in our history where more and more average citizens, understandably so, own hand guns compared to the 20th century, when in general, that would've been fairly rare. As a direct correlation to this, now more and more children possibly have access to guns considering one might be in their home because their parents purchased one. Society in general is now growing up with the idea that it is commonplace to own a handgun. It's an increasing mindset. It's the new normal so to speak. Is this really what we want in society? I understand the need for protection, but having grown up in a day where handguns were rare, I just have a gut feeling that things are moving in a direction so fast that I personally just don't feel ready for. There's no doubt in my mind that more and more incidents of irrational behavior such as the one in Oklahoma will be on the rise and continue to occur. We've heard of more cases of road rage leading to shootings. I don't have a good answer for it all because the increasing need for protection still is a very valid point. Our culture now has a conundrum or paradox of a situation where the answer to our problems is now creating more problems. At the end of the day I can't help but lean towards thinking that less guns is a better idea than more of them. But then again, not being able to protect ourselves from relentless criminals is not a good idea either. I just don't know??? :no:
August 22, 201313 yr Could a mod please remove my lengthy comment from this thread as I've started a completely new thread using the comment as the premise for the new thread. Thanks.
August 22, 201313 yr Teen charged in ?thrill kill? of Australian college student in Oklahoma has racist tweets, report says | Fox News Still think this killing wasn't racially motivated? Don't worry though, Rev. Jesse Jackson said in a tweet Wednesday that he was "praying for the family of Chris Lane. This senseless violence is frowned upon and the justice system must prevail." Really? Frowned upon?!
August 22, 201313 yr Not in this case. Australian College Baseball Player Killed by ?Bored? Teenagers in Oklahoma | The Big Lead I may be in the minority....but I'm against the death penalty. Period. I don't have the right to decide when someone should die. Nor did they. Put them in solitary for the rest of their lives - fine with me.
August 22, 201313 yr So, in your mind, anytime a white guy murders a black guy or a black guy murders a white guy, there's racial undertones? Maybe we haven't progressed as much as I thought as a society. That's certainly the way many, including some on this board, think.
August 22, 201313 yr I may be in the minority....but I'm against the death penalty. Period. I don't have the right to decide when someone should die. Nor did they. Put them in solitary for the rest of their lives - fine with me. I'm with you. The death penalty is not a deterrent to violent crime, solves no problems, rights no wrongs. And since 1971, 142 folks have been exonerated of their death sentence based on evidence. I know some cases are clear cut, but the chance that innocent men could get executed is frightening. And for this who claim to be religious and still support the death penalty, how do you get around that 6th commandment?? The one that says "Thou Shalt Not Kill". Are there exceptions to any of the Commandments??
August 22, 201313 yr Black teen who murdered Australian posted racist Tweets | The Daily Caller No Racial Motivation in this killing???
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