Because of Obamacare.

 

Poll: 41% Of Small Businesses Froze Hiring Due To Obamacare, 19% Have Laid Off Employees | Mediaite

Any comment on why many on here kept believing the health care law wouldn't affect jobs when simple math kept saying otherwise . Now the results show obamacare affects new jobs in a bad way.

Lots of affected businesses keeping part timers under 30 hours where they used to get 38 or 39.

Any comment on why many on here kept believing the health care law wouldn't affect jobs when simple math kept saying otherwise . Now the results show obamacare affects new jobs in a bad way.

:sssh: that doesn't matter as long as they (or their President) gets their way.

 

ObamaCare will come home to roost this fall when everyone is going through enrollment for next years insurance. I was told that the insurance that I had may as much as double in cost.

Any comment on why many on here kept believing the health care law wouldn't affect jobs when simple math kept saying otherwise . Now the results show obamacare affects new jobs in a bad way.

I'm sure it's just Republican small business owners doing this to make a point...

^ Probably. After all, business with fewer than 50 employees are not required to provide health insurance.

 

Will Obamacare Turn America Into a Nation of Part-Time Workers? - seattlepi.com

Any comment on why many on here kept believing the health care law wouldn't affect jobs when simple math kept saying otherwise . Now the results show obamacare affects new jobs in a bad way.

Bash -- Businesses since the Crash of '08 have been hoarding cash. So how does one distinguish between continuation of this parsimonious trend and suddenly blaming the Affordable Health Care Act?

Bash -- Businesses since the Crash of '08 have been hoarding cash. So how does one distinguish between continuation of this parsimonious trend and suddenly blaming the Affordable Health Care Act?

 

Big bussiness has a lot of cash. But small business is a different story.

Because of Obamacare.

 

Poll: 41% Of Small Businesses Froze Hiring Due To Obamacare, 19% Have Laid Off Employees | Mediaite

 

I'll start by saying while I think our healthcare system is broken, I don't know if Obamacare is the answer....but something needs to be done.

 

As far as this article goes, I think this is a case of "statistics" being presented in a way that doesnt quite tell the story properly. This poll has only a sample size of 608....out of 27 million or so small businesses in the U.S.. That seems a bit small to be statistically significant. And while 38% are saying they are scaling back growth, 48% are saying the law is either good for, or has no effect on their plans (the article separates these two categories). So roughly 1/2 aren't worried at all. This law only affects businesses with more than 50 employees...the vast majority of businesses in this country have less than 50 and aren't affected. Now obviously, what will happen to overall costs remains to be seen. But businesses have been scaling back hours for years, especially in categories like retail. I was in retail for 17 years, and even by the year 2000, my staff was about 90% part time (less than 32 hours) in an $11 million a year store.

 

Again, I'm not sold on this. But something needs to be done, and this could fail miserably. Or, if this works, the U.S. becomes a better place to live. I'm willing to take that chance

I'll start by saying while I think our healthcare system is broken, I don't know if Obamacare is the answer....but something needs to be done.

 

As far as this article goes, I think this is a case of "statistics" being presented in a way that doesnt quite tell the story properly. This poll has only a sample size of 608....out of 27 million or so small businesses in the U.S.. That seems a bit small to be statistically significant. And while 38% are saying they are scaling back growth, 48% are saying the law is either good for, or has no effect on their plans (the article separates these two categories). So roughly 1/2 aren't worried at all. This law only affects businesses with more than 50 employees...the vast majority of businesses in this country have less than 50 and aren't affected. Now obviously, what will happen to overall costs remains to be seen. But businesses have been scaling back hours for years, especially in categories like retail. I was in retail for 17 years, and even by the year 2000, my staff was about 90% part time (less than 32 hours) in an $11 million a year store.

 

Again, I'm not sold on this. But something needs to be done, and this could fail miserably. Or, if this works, the U.S. becomes a better place to live. I'm willing to take that chance

 

How? And you say you're willing to take the chance. You realize that if Obamacare fails the likely "solution" is a government run single payer system.

How? And you say you're willing to take the chance. You realize that if Obamacare fails the likely "solution" is a government run single payer system.

 

The objective of this law has been a push to single payer system. It could not pass in 2008. But its obvious by how this law was setup it was setup to fail. So then for big government proponents the next logical step will be to give government more power.

 

I just don't believe the idea that because something should be done any law passed is good. Allowing govt to gain power over 1/5 th the economy in a free society is never a good thing.

The objective of this law has been a push to single payer system. It could not pass in 2008. But its obvious by how this law was setup it was setup to fail. So then for big government proponents the next logical step will be to give government more power.

 

I just don't believe the idea that because something should be done any law passed is good. Allowing govt to gain power over 1/5 th the economy in a free society is never a good thing.

 

I won't deny that, and there are single payer systems already in place in many countries. And the benefits of such a system could be huge, as whether this system is run by the gov't or privately, since such a system will encourage regular healthcare visits, many serious problems will be caught early, rather than late, when they are more expensive to treat and treatment is less likely to succeed. And the truth is there are many groups in the medical industry that do support such a plan.

 

Are there pitfalls?? You bet. And I respect any opinion that uses facts to support that. What I don't like, and why I even chimed in on this, is the use an manipulation of "stats" and "polls" to try to create fear. If the results of this poll had been presented as what they are (more business are really in favor of or not worried about it which doesn't support the argument), and in reality are just a tiny, tiny sample of the real world, and in essence shouldn't be used to support either side.

What did I manipulate ? A respected organization released numbers that said 41% of small businesses froze hiring do to Obamacare. Pretty straight forward. If you don't like the sample size its your choice . But the sample size is consistent with many scientific polls used daily.

 

I would love to debate anytime how a single payer system would be bad for our way of life. Government control over large sector of the economy can not happen in a society that claims to be free. Government control is the opposite of freedom.

I am on the same page as rjs4470. I have no doubt there will be many problems and complications as ObamaCare is implemented. When I hear Chicken Little stories, I say fix the problems as they are discovered. But the bottom line is this - healthcare costs have skyrocketed in this nation for as long as I can remember so I am all for any attempt to change things and try and make it better.

 

As for government "control" of healthcare, that has been the fact for a long time. Medicare/medicaid has been more than 50% of the cost in healthcare for a while. This isn't a takeover. This is a restructuring of government driven healthcare.

I am on the same page as rjs4470. I have no doubt there will be many problems and complications as ObamaCare is implemented. When I hear Chicken Little stories, I say fix the problems as they are discovered. But the bottom line is this - healthcare costs have skyrocketed in this nation for as long as I can remember so I am all for any attempt to change things and try and make it better.

 

As for government "control" of healthcare, that has been the fact for a long time. Medicare/medicaid has been more than 50% of the cost in healthcare for a while. This isn't a takeover. This is a restructuring of government driven healthcare.

 

Wow . I'm speechless. This is government taking over the entire sector. Spin it with any verb you want. They had a big piece with Medicare now they get to rule even more.I wish I could pin point when in this country so many forgot what freedom means. So many justify loss of freedom through different excuses. Maybe I feel safer or the issue itself doesn't directly affect me or maybe I don't think society or individuals are smart enough to make own decisions. But make no mistake about every little bit of control we lose is another layer of freedom stripped from us.

 

If anyone thinks government can make any industry in the private sector more efficient I question that persons understanding of economics , business or freedom. It is mathematically impossible to take a dollar out of someone's pocket and have a government entity spend it as efficiently on commerce. I always here how conservatives are anti-science and in some cases I may agree. But it has become quite clear that the modern day liberal is anti-math.