Not an expert on plant biology, but I wonder if DNA testing could be used to link the limbs to the trees they were cut from?

 

No, it would violate the trees civil liberties...:facepalm:

I hope and pray that the guilty are caught and caught quickly. The department my wife works at had a similar situation 12 years ago, only ray of light in that tragedy was that the killer and accomplishes were all under arrest within 48 or so hours. Can't imagine how hard it would have been if it had drug out for months or never solved.

I think it's important in this case to avoid a rush to judgement/conviction. It's easy to sit back from a distance and condemn those in the BMG operation as a bunch of drug-dealing hoodlums. In many cases, that is a correct assessment. Some in that bunch indeed have a motive.

 

However, I'm highly skeptical that this bunch is that organized, to have thought through this plan to that degree. You have to remember, these are kids dumb enough to make a rap video that basically is self-incriminating (before this incident). At the end of the day, these are small-time guys slinging weed, meth and crack, for small-town money. There are no Pablo Escobars in that bunch.

I think it's important in this case to avoid a rush to judgement/conviction. It's easy to sit back from a distance and condemn those in the BMG operation as a bunch of drug-dealing hoodlums. In many cases, that is a correct assessment. Some in that bunch indeed have a motive.

 

However, I'm highly skeptical that this bunch is that organized, to have thought through this plan to that degree. You have to remember, these are kids dumb enough to make a rap video that basically is self-incriminating (before this incident). At the end of the day, these are small-time guys slinging weed, meth and crack, for small-town money. There are no Pablo Escobars in that bunch.

 

And how pathetic is it that everyone knows the illegal activity that the gang is involved in but law enforcement is handcuffed by red tape prohibiting them from doing much about it.

 

And how pathetic is it that everyone knows the illegal activity that the gang is involved in but law enforcement is handcuffed by red tape prohibiting them from doing much about it.

 

While I want to see the killers of this brought to justice, it's much better to ensure that a) a conviction will be held up and b) not convict or kill an innocent.

And how pathetic is it that everyone knows the illegal activity that the gang is involved in but law enforcement is handcuffed by red tape prohibiting them from doing much about it.

 

"Red tape" might not be an apropos term here. It's that local law enforcement have to worry about bigger things. Same reason why you don't see a rash of jaywalking and speeding arrests in your local paper's public record section. The boys in blue have to pick their spots where they can make the biggest impact. Busting somebody for slinging weed doesn't go a long way toward "making a difference."

Hits close to home. We have a little wanna be gang here too. The cops made very little progress until a school search gave them the evidence they finally needed to get a search warrant. They found truck loads of stolen items. One of them being the stolen tattoo machine they used on each other to proudly display the gang symbols.

I can see Jim's point on weed, but when you add in meth and crack, that puts it in a different category in my book.

In this case it is about murder... What if the cops could have done a search right off the bat and had come up with the chainsaw used to cut those branches? By now I am sure the gang folks know that the authorities are looking into the branches and all the evidence is at the bottom of Lake Cumberland.

 

I also want to see the right person brought to justice in a way that it will stand up in court. But I do wish the pursuit of evil wasn't such a difficult thing to do mainly because of legal roadblocks.

Hits close to home. We have a little wanna be gang here too. The cops made very little progress until a school search gave them the evidence they finally needed to get a search warrant. They found truck loads of stolen items. One of them being the stolen tattoo machine they used on each other to proudly display the gang symbols.

I can see Jim's point on weed, but when you add in meth and crack, that puts it in a different category in my book.

In this case it is about murder... What if the cops could have done a search right off the bat and had come up with the chainsaw used to cut those branches? By now I am sure the gang folks know that the authorities are looking into the branches and all the evidence is at the bottom of Lake Cumberland.

 

I also want to see the right person brought to justice in a way that it will stand up in court. But I do wish the pursuit of evil wasn't such a difficult thing to do mainly because of legal roadblocks.

 

Even with meth and crack at play, I'm still gonna need some convincing that these guys went through the trouble of A) tracking Ellis' work schedule to the point they knew what time he regularly got off work, B) tracking his work schedule to the point that they knew he would be in a vehicle with no dash-cam, on that night, C) setting up people along his route home so as to warn the shooter he was coming, D) cutting fresh tree branches so as to plant an obstacle in the on ramp that they knew he and only he would get out of his cruiser to address, and E) using a shotgun, which not only is harder to track, but definitely goes against type and points more to a killer of a more pale persuasion.

 

The guys in the Bardstown Money Gang (I'm going to quit shortening it, because it makes them look bigger than they really are) definitely are no angels. That doesn't mean they're murderers. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I'm just not willing to give those guys that much credit for their organizational skills.

 

You might say, "that's a bit of a stereotypical look at it." You might be right. But, by the same token, small-town gangstas are increasingly likely to follow stereotypical methods like what they see and hear online or on TV, and you can't hold a shotgun to its side and get the job done in a life-or-death situation. And make no mistake, the shooter couldn't afford to miss, and there was nobody around (theoretically) to judge their artistic talent, so whatever cool points that could be gained by holding it to the side just weren't there.

I think it's important in this case to avoid a rush to judgement/conviction. It's easy to sit back from a distance and condemn those in the BMG operation as a bunch of drug-dealing hoodlums. In many cases, that is a correct assessment. Some in that bunch indeed have a motive.

 

However, I'm highly skeptical that this bunch is that organized, to have thought through this plan to that degree. You have to remember, these are kids dumb enough to make a rap video that basically is self-incriminating (before this incident). At the end of the day, these are small-time guys slinging weed, meth and crack, for small-town money. There are no Pablo Escobars in that bunch.

 

What's in the rap video?

What's in the rap video?

 

You know how to use YouTube. It's there.

 

You know how to use YouTube. It's there.

 

I don't know how to use YouTube.

 

And I don't really want to waste any seconds of my life watching a Bardstown Money Gang rap video.

Even with meth and crack at play, I'm still gonna need some convincing that these guys went through the trouble of A) tracking Ellis' work schedule to the point they knew what time he regularly got off work, B) tracking his work schedule to the point that they knew he would be in a vehicle with no dash-cam, on that night, C) setting up people along his route home so as to warn the shooter he was coming, D) cutting fresh tree branches so as to plant an obstacle in the on ramp that they knew he and only he would get out of his cruiser to address, and E) using a shotgun, which not only is harder to track, but definitely goes against type and points more to a killer of a more pale persuasion.

 

The guys in the Bardstown Money Gang (I'm going to quit shortening it, because it makes them look bigger than they really are) definitely are no angels. That doesn't mean they're murderers. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I'm just not willing to give those guys that much credit for their organizational skills.

 

You might say, "that's a bit of a stereotypical look at it." You might be right. But, by the same token, small-town gangstas are increasingly likely to follow stereotypical methods like what they see and hear online or on TV, and you can't hold a shotgun to its side and get the job done in a life-or-death situation. And make no mistake, the shooter couldn't afford to miss, and there was nobody around (theoretically) to judge their artistic talent, so whatever cool points that could be gained by holding it to the side just weren't there.

 

You make some good points and definitely know these guys better then anyone on here. I would like to counter some of your points though. B)did it matter if the vehicle had a dash camera? Or did they even know? I don't know enough about the details of the shooting to guess why it would matter. Maybe they got lucky on that one. C)if they knew what time he got off and the route he would take you wouldn't need anyone to relay he was coming. The shooter would just need to wait and be patient. If he stayed hidden and someone other than Officer Ellis took the exit it wouldn't matter if that person stopped and got out to move the branches. Once they left the shooter could just more them back. D) It wouldn't take a rocket scientist to come up with that plan. E) I would guess getting your hands on a shotgun would be much easier then something like an AK47. Plus it would be easier to make sure you didn't miss.

I watched a couple video's and it's very disturbing that our society has fallen to such trash. I guess this is another good reason I got my Conceal Carry permit. Whenever I travel from my friendly confines you can bet I will be packing. I hope I would never have to use it but with scum like this out there you just never know.

Just saw a report on Channel 18 News that someone sent a threatening letter to the Bardstown Police Department stating that other officers could be killed.

So glad these idiots are too dumb to walk away and maybe get away with it. Hopefully they will be caught soon.

Just saw a report on Channel 18 News that someone sent a threatening letter to the Bardstown Police Department stating that other officers could be killed.

So glad these idiots are too dumb to walk away and maybe get away with it. Hopefully they will be caught soon.

 

That should be good news because it may add additional clues to the investigation of the homicide.