I don't disagree. I was just wondering about their particular disabilities. Someone with Down's Syndrome isn't capable of making that decision for themselves and someone would be using them for money. That's just wrong on so many levels.

 

That I agree with. If someone is capable of making their own decision and wants to make money at it I'm fine with it since Disney already does it. I would also have no problem with doing away with all of it and let everyone wait in line.

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Looks like hiring a local handicapped person would be a quite a bit cheaper, without some of the perks.

Let me throw a situation out there and get your guys response, that I think is similar to this.

 

A family enjoys baseball games, but can not afford to sit in the semi good seats. Family has a grandpa that is in a wheel chair and if he attended the games, he would require special seating with the rest of the family, this special seating would get the family better seats than they could normally afford. Grand pa hates baseball, but so that the family can sit in good seats goes along. In a sense family pays for grandpa to go to game, to get a benefit.

 

 

Thoughts? Its not directly the same situation persay, but it's the principal of it. Now in my example Grandpa isn't getting paid to be at the game, like the disabled persons at disney so there is that difference.

 

Ethically speaking there is a huge difference. It is Disney's business, they have a right to offer what they see fit. The third parties (the handicapped person and the person hiring them) colluding together to circumvent the privilege offered to other handicapped guests is despicable in my opinion.

 

This is what I intended to say in a roundabout way

Let me throw a situation out there and get your guys response, that I think is similar to this.

 

A family enjoys baseball games, but can not afford to sit in the semi good seats. Family has a grandpa that is in a wheel chair and if he attended the games, he would require special seating with the rest of the family, this special seating would get the family better seats than they could normally afford. Grand pa hates baseball, but so that the family can sit in good seats goes along. In a sense family pays for grandpa to go to game, to get a benefit.

 

 

Thoughts? Its not directly the same situation persay, but it's the principal of it. Now in my example Grandpa isn't getting paid to be at the game, like the disabled persons at disney so there is that difference.

 

Not even in the same Universe.

Not even in the same Universe.

 

Why not? its using a disabled person to get a benefit isn't it?

I don't disagree. I was just wondering about their particular disabilities. Someone with Down's Syndrome isn't capable of making that decision for themselves and someone would be using them for money. That's just wrong on so many levels.

 

I agree . I'm fine with it as long as the person can make own decisions. Unethical probably illegal no.

Ethically speaking there is a huge difference. It is Disney's business, they have a right to offer what they see fit. The third parties (the handicapped person and the person hiring them) colluding together to

circumvent the privilege offered to other handicapped guests is despicable in my opinion.

 

I'm with you, Guru.

That I agree with. If someone is capable of making their own decision and wants to make money at it I'm fine with it since Disney already does it. I would also have no problem with doing away with all of it and let everyone wait in line.

 

Makes me think that maybe we have tipped the scales and "overaccomidated" the handicapped, so that now they exploit their accomidations.

Okay, I've been itchin' to jump in here since earlier this evening...when Guru sent me a text suggesting I jump in here.

 

First of all, to be totally up front with you, there have been a few occasions where maybe I used my disability to some advantage when I didn't exactly "need" to do so. I guess that's human nature. Bottom line: I'm no saint.

 

It burns my buns when I hear about anyone, especially a disabled person, allowing themselves to be exploited for money. These disabled people, along with those who are hiring them, are engaging in an unethical, immoral and unfair practice! There's no way to sugarcoat it. If this is an example of "clever marketing," then so is prostitution. The only difference is that the john is paying someone to screw everybody in the line.

 

I'm all for disabled people doing what they can to make an HONEST living. Shoot, I'm trying to do that myself. There's a lot of people getting handouts who could conceivably be working -- at least to some extent -- if they would take the initiative, and the government didn't go out of its way to keep them on the roles. But that's for another discussion.

 

This practice is sick, degrading and reprehensible. If these lazy people are so wealthy, they should do the right thing and buy the VIP package.

Okay, I've been itchin' to jump in here since earlier this evening...when Guru sent me a text suggesting I jump in here.

 

First of all, to be totally up front with you, there have been a few occasions where maybe I used my disability to some advantage when I didn't exactly "need" to do so. I guess that's human nature. Bottom line: I'm no saint.

 

It burns my buns when I hear about anyone, especially a disabled person, allowing themselves to be exploited for money. These disabled people and those who are hiring them are engaging in an unethical, immoral and unfair practice! There's no way to sugarcoat it. It's as much an example of "clever marketing" as is prostitution. The only difference is that their paying someone to screw everybody in the line.

I'm all for disabled people doing what they can to make an HONEST living. Shoot, I'm trying to do that myself. There's a lot of people getting handouts who could conceivably be working -- at least to some extent -- if they would take the initiative, and the government didn't go out of its way to keep them on the roles. But that's for another discussion.

 

This practice is sick, degrading and reprehensible. If these lazy people are so wealthy, they should do the right thing and buy the VIP package.

 

:thumb: I agree with you, too. Also want to add that the "P" word also came mind as I was reading this thread.

Disney scans your fingerprint along with having your tivket when you enter the park. They know who is there and what is happening.

It isn't illegal or degrading in my opinion.... Just classless. Unfortunately classlessness is common these days.

Okay, I've been itchin' to jump in here since earlier this evening...when Guru sent me a text suggesting I jump in here.

 

First of all, to be totally up front with you, there have been a few occasions where maybe I used my disability to some advantage when I didn't exactly "need" to do so. I guess that's human nature. Bottom line: I'm no saint.

 

It burns my buns when I hear about anyone, especially a disabled person, allowing themselves to be exploited for money. These disabled people, along with those who are hiring them, are engaging in an unethical, immoral and unfair practice! There's no way to sugarcoat it. If this is an example of "clever marketing," then so is prostitution. The only difference is that the john is paying someone to screw everybody in the line.

 

I'm all for disabled people doing what they can to make an HONEST living. Shoot, I'm trying to do that myself. There's a lot of people getting handouts who could conceivably be working -- at least to some extent -- if they would take the initiative, and the government didn't go out of its way to keep them on the roles. But that's for another discussion.

 

This practice is sick, degrading and reprehensible. If these lazy people are so wealthy, they should do the right thing and buy the VIP package.

I see where you are coming from and want to agree but I'm not sure I do. If I am born with a handicap that now will allow me to make a good living why not use it? I'm torn on this one.

Clyde and the others that generally agree with Clyde, are you okay with Disney offering premium packages and with anyone hiring a handicapped person to get preferential treatment or are you just okay with Disney offering it and not the people that hire the handicapped?

 

For the record, I am 100% fine with Disney offering premium packages but at the same time I think the other practice is scum of the Earth type behavior.

 

I think it is a shame, went to Kings Island and seen this last year the "fast track" bracelet lets you cut in line. What a shame not enough to spend 200 bucks to get your family in to watch your kids cut in front of all day by little rich kids....... I remember my parents taking me to Kings Island growing up, for one day a summer I got to feel rich as anyone, waiting in line like everyone else. NOT NOW!

I see where you are coming from and want to agree but I'm not sure I do. If I am born with a handicap that now will allow me to make a good living why not use it? I'm torn on this one.

That's not a good living. It's a sleazy, self-exploitive living. I could agree if someone finds a way to turn their disability into an asset, but this is different. This is allowing yourself to be dehumanized and used as little more than a tool for someone else's unethical gains. In short, I'm all for people turning life's lemons into lemonade, but not at the cost of their integrity, morals and human dignity. I feel the same way about this issue as I do about people with deformities who once joined traveling freak shows.