I would say that faith does not require intellect or science to be completely abandoned.

 

I disagree that faith is taught only to children.

 

I also disagree that doubt is discouraged. According to the Bible, John the Baptist had his doubts about Jesus & whether or not he was "the one to come" (i.e. the Christ or the Messiah) or if the Jews should expect someone else. Jesus sent word back to him, providing him with evidence that his life was fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy concerning the Messiah. He later stated that John was the greatest man born of woman. Pretty high praise for a man who doubted.

 

I do concede that faith & science sometimes clash. But Scripture teaches that faith is "being sure of what we hope for & certain of what we do not see." Point being: you can't put God in a test tube.

I do not believe faith and science are exclusive either. Some of the great pioneers in science were people of a faith background.

 

The father of genetics (Gregor Mendel) was an Augustian Friar.

 

Sister Mary Celine Fasenmyer's work was important to WZ Theory.

 

Fr. Georges Lemeitre was a priest and astronomer who beat Hubble in discovering that the universe is constantly expanding even though the discovery is called Hubble's Law.

 

The Pontifical Academy of Sciences (officially called Pontificia Academia Scientiarum) was founded by Pope Pius XI and is regarded as a top scientific academy which puts out highly regarded research. Membership of the academy is highly regarded and included numerous Nobel laureates.

 

Of course I cannot forget my good friend who I had a drink with last night and is a tenured professor of Astrophysics at UofL, Dr. Gerrard Williger. Gerry has numerous publications of his research of other galaxies and repeatedly has stated that science does not disprove God, if anything, it hopes to understand Him just a little better. He is often critical of the hubrus view of many in academics that "If I cannot understand it, it must not be true". He fully accepts that there are some things in the universe that were not meant to be understood by man in this world.

I do not believe faith and science are exclusive either. Some of the great pioneers in science were people of a faith background.

 

The father of genetics (Gregor Mendel) was an Augustian Friar.

 

Sister Mary Celine Fasenmyer's work was important to WZ Theory.

 

Fr. Georges Lemeitre was a priest and astronomer who beat Hubble in discovering that the universe is constantly expanding even though the discovery is called Hubble's Law.

 

The Pontifical Academy of Sciences (officially called Pontificia Academia Scientiarum) was founded by Pope Pius XI and is regarded as a top scientific academy which puts out highly regarded research. Membership of the academy is highly regarded and included numerous Nobel laureates.

 

Of course I cannot forget my good friend who I had a drink with last night and is a tenured professor of Astrophysics at UofL, Dr. Gerrard Williger. Gerry has numerous publications of his research of other galaxies and repeatedly has stated that science does not disprove God, if anything, it hopes to understand Him just a little better. He is often critical of the hubrus view of many in academics that "If I cannot understand it, it must not be true". He fully accepts that there are some things in the universe that were not meant to be understood by man in this world.

You left out Galileo's trial by the Roman Inquisition in 1633.

You left out Galileo's trial by the Roman Inquisition in 1633.

 

You are correct, I should have included Galileo. The church has admitted long ago it was in error in its accusations towards both Galileo and Bruno (neither of whom denied God's existence nor his role in creation). The fact that the church admitted its error and the fact that neither of these two great scientists felt faith and science were mutually exclusive supports my assertion further.

You left out Galileo's trial by the Roman Inquisition in 1633.

 

Remember at one time, science thought bloodletting was a cure for many types of sickness and disease.

You are correct, I should have included Galileo. The church has admitted long ago it was in error in its accusations towards both Galileo and Bruno (neither of whom denied God's existence nor his role in creation). The fact that the church admitted its error and the fact that neither of these two great scientists felt faith and science were mutually exclusive supports my assertion further.

Actually, the Vatican didn't exonerate Galileo until 1992, some 359 years after the fact. In any event, Mendel's accomplishments are significant, and living the life of an Augustinian friar certainly was conducive to his groundbreaking work in unraveling the mystery of genetics. As I recall, his work really wasn't appreciated until decades after his death.

Science and religion serve two different purposes, but I do not think that they "go against" each other. Science is the search for cosmic order. Religion is the search for cosmic purpose.

 

In all of my years of science study and teaching, I've never once felt that science even implies a denial of the existance of God. I feel a little sad for people that cannot see the beautiful correlation between what scientific evidence shows us to be true and God's creation.

Science and religion serve two different purposes, but I do not think that they "go against" each other. Science is the search for cosmic order. Religion is the search for cosmic purpose.

 

In all of my years of science study and teaching, I've never once felt that science even implies a denial of the existance of God. I feel a little sad for people that cannot see the beautiful correlation between what scientific evidence shows us to be true and God's creation.

Great post!

Whenever there's a picture like this posted I can't see the right half of it. Does anyone know what I need to change to display the entire attachment?

Whenever there's a picture like this posted I can't see the right half of it. Does anyone know what I need to change to display the entire attachment?

 

Would you start a thread in the break room and ask for help in case anyone else is having the same problem?

I think the picture is propaganda for non-believers.

I think the picture is propaganda for non-believers.

 

But it's grounded in truth.

The quote at the bottom of the pic, " One route to indoctrination; one route to knowledge" could be used for either side of the example pic.

But it's grounded in truth.

 

No it's not, not even a little bit.