Sure. I'll go with "recommend the creation of an ad hoc bipartisan commission on violence".

Break it down a bit more if you would please.

If a pistol fits my description, so be it. Already up to two people putting their thoughts into what I post. Quick reminder of why I quit posting on politics and religion years ago...

Well then be a little clearer than mud on the issue then, GT. :lol:

Exploitation. Agenda. Politicization. I'm just not sure. I'm not convinced that what we are seeing isn't an emotional response by many to wish that we could go back in time and find a way to protect these angels better. Most of us feel this way. We just disagree on what form it should take.

 

1) Some get upset when "mental health" is mentioned. "These people are just evil. That's an excuse." Well, I don't buy it. For one, that leaves me helpless to deter the next tragedy. I've also seen good people do bad things as a result of mental illness.

2) Some want to ban guns outright. I own a gun that I practice with sparingly. It's for defense, though I used to use it quite a bit for pleasure. I don't NEED a gun. But man, I sure don't want to be a law abiding citizen that can't have a gun defending herself against a criminal that doesn't care about the legality of the weapon that they hold in their hands. We CAN ban guns. We just CAN'T get rid of them. A ban will only allow the inmates to run the prison.

3) Some want to make schools "more secure" and I bet without raising our taxes. It looks like this school had just installed a new security system that had but one flaw. Someone with a gun could shoot through a window and gain access anyway. Do we want bars on all doors/windows in our schools? Armed guards patrolling the halls? Or do we let those that would do us harm defeat us anyway, by shoving fear in our hearts and making us "live" less?

 

We DO need to examine the issues involved with this and similar tragedies and look to see if there is something that we can reasonably and sensibly do to make our schools and communities safer. But we cannot get anything accomplished by labeling and finger pointing. That's what I am so weary of. That, and looking at the faces of those sweet little babies and crying tears of sorrow...of imagining myself in my classroom trying to figure out a way to protect my own students.

We pretty much agree across the board. I just know what the so called solution was in the past. I know what I'm hearing again and I don't like it. Most of all because it won't help.

Exploitation. Agenda. Politicization. I'm just not sure. I'm not convinced that what we are seeing isn't an emotional response by many to wish that we could go back in time and find a way to protect these angels better. Most of us feel this way. We just disagree on what form it should take.

 

1) Some get upset when "mental health" is mentioned. "These people are just evil. That's an excuse." Well, I don't buy it. For one, that leaves me helpless to deter the next tragedy. I've also seen good people do bad things as a result of mental illness.

2) Some want to ban guns outright. I own a gun that I practice with sparingly. It's for defense, though I used to use it quite a bit for pleasure. I don't NEED a gun. But man, I sure don't want to be a law abiding citizen that can't have a gun defending herself against a criminal that doesn't care about the legality of the weapon that they hold in their hands. We CAN ban guns. We just CAN'T get rid of them. A ban will only allow the inmates to run the prison.

3) Some want to make schools "more secure" and I bet without raising our taxes. It looks like this school had just installed a new security system that had but one flaw. Someone with a gun could shoot through a window and gain access anyway. Do we want bars on all doors/windows in our schools? Armed guards patrolling the halls? Or do we let those that would do us harm defeat us anyway, by shoving fear in our hearts and making us "live" less?

 

We DO need to examine the issues involved with this and similar tragedies and look to see if there is something that we can reasonably and sensibly do to make our schools and communities safer. But we cannot get anything accomplished by labeling and finger pointing. That's what I am so weary of. That, and looking at the faces of those sweet little babies and crying tears of sorrow...of imagining myself in my classroom trying to figure out a way to protect my own students.

 

 

AGREE 100%

If a pistol fits my description, so be it. Already up to two people putting their thoughts into what I post. Quick reminder of why I quit posting on politics and religion years ago...

 

I never added anything to your post. Never added one word. Condescension won't answer any of the questions we face in this deal.

We pretty much agree across the board. I just know what the so called solution was in the past. I know what I'm hearing again and I don't like it. Most of all because it won't help.

 

If it won't help, then why do these type of incidents seem to happen more here than anywhere else?

If a pistol fits my description, so be it. Already up to two people putting their thoughts into what I post. Quick reminder of why I quit posting on politics and religion years ago...

 

I lived in Old Louisville on Third Street right by campus for a while, and was ALWAYS worried about somebody breaking into my house. I had a buddy who lived a couple houses down close to The Granville whose home was broken into and robbed three times. Another girl I know had to call the police after someone tried to break into her house while she was home at night around the same time in Old Louisville. After that I started to look for new places to live, but in the meantime I seriously felt like I needed protection. So my dad let me borrow his .357 magnum in case someone ever broke in to my apartment. Thank God I never had to use it, but I felt more comfortable knowing it was there. Also, I wouldn't have felt nearly as safe if I couldn't fire multiple rounds with it.

The guns aren't the problem.

The President can't win in this situation. If he tells the parents he wants to do more to protect kids, it's seen as politicizing. If he doesn't mention it and gets emotional, he comes off as soft.

 

I haven't voted for the President the past two elections, but there is no way I am going to criticize him for the past week. As he did with Sandy, he came off as Presidential and showed leadership. Republicans will bash, Democrats will praise. Lather, rinse, repeat.

I never added anything to your post. Never added one word. Condescension won't answer any of the questions we face in this deal.

 

I never said what he could do or not do with any kind of weapon in specific. You went directly to the issue of gun semantics. If he could kill that many innocent people with a sling shot, then we need to take a different look at sling shot laws. Clear enough???

If it won't help, then why do these type of incidents seem to happen more here than anywhere else?

Because we have more guns than anywhere else and a very large population. A ban won't get rid of all the guns out there already, and there are a LOT of them. Plus, just look at the drug ban. Not working out too well is it?

I never said what he could do or not do with any kind of weapon in specific. You went directly to the issue of gun semantics. If he could kill that many innocent people with a sling shot, then we need to take a different look at sling shot laws. Clear enough???

No. Why? The guns aren't the problem. Sinking in yet?

Because we have more guns than anywhere else and a very large population. A ban won't get rid of all the guns out there already' date=' and there are a LOT of them. Plus, just look at the drug ban. Not working out too well is it?[/quote']

 

Personally I think a drug ban and gun ban are apples and oranges. Wouldn't it be better to look at how bans are working elsewhere?

 

Also, if one of the reasons is "because we have more guns", shouldn't that at least cause a pause to think and evaluate??? :idunno:

Personally I think a drug ban and gun ban are apples and oranges. Wouldn't it be better to look at how bans are working elsewhere?

 

Also, if one of your defenses is "because we have more guns", shouldn't that at least cause a pause to think and evaluate???

No, it shouldn't. We aren't England. PepRock explained that rater well in another thread, look it up.

 

Like hell it's apple and oranges. Black market. Need I say more? You think criminals buy their guns legally?

The POTUS said what many Americans of all political leanings are saying: We can do better and owe it to kids everywhere to at least talk about this , debate it, and SEE if there is a better way.

 

If that means that some weapons are outlawed so be it. The Constitution does not come without responsibilities. I have Freedom of Speech but can't yell "FIRE" in a theater. Seems like we can all agree that all weapons are not covered under the Constitution.

 

I'd hope we also talk about mental health.

 

If some of you cats want to call dialogue and debate "politicization" go right ahead. The debate needs to happen and NOW is the time to have the discussion.