I suppose that the "administration" would be the group of people making the decisions for the school. Again, that is a broad term, but a reasonable answer. An individual teacher would have some authority over his or her classroom. The lunchroom monitor would have some control over the cafeteria. The principal, Dean of Discipline, Dean of Academics/Students, potentially the school board & a few other members of the faculty would have the authority to make decisions regarding dances & other extra-curricular activities.

 

Regarding Covington Catholic's student section dress code: I have seen plenty of students asked to leave the game due to their conduct in the student section. Sometimes it was due to their attire, other times because of profanity, and the list goes on. As a member of the student section, you're representing the school at a school sanctioned event. Because of that, whichever school employees are responsible for monitoring the crowd have the authority to limit and/or prohibit certain types of expression.

 

The National Anthem is a bit off topic, but I'll address it anyway. When I was actively involved in the student section at Covington Catholic, we were actually told that we were not allowed to yell "Colonels" until the National Anthem had concluded. Now, whether or not the 100+ teenage boys actually listened or not was a different story.

 

Either way, I don't think anyone would find a cheer prior to the conclusion of the national anthem to be so offensive as to disturb the masses. If it did, then I can assure you that most schools would implement an action to prohibit such conduct.

 

Always thoughtful answers which I appreciate.

 

Whether teen age boys or girls listen is part of the story and I agree with you there. I am telling you as a fan, the screaming at the end of the national anthem really bugged me. Not to the point where I would go to the principal or athletic director(and maybe that was my fault), but I just thought it very disrespecftul of our nation by a school and a group of students and a school that I have much admiration for.

As to extending to sporting events, please see the school you are affiliated with and their so called "Crazies"....they certainly can wear provocative clothing that is often very funny. However, some could be construed as insulting to certain groups. I also really don't care for the way in the past (last 15 years or so), the Crazies at the conclusion of the National Anthem would scream "Colonels" where brave would normally be the last word of the national anthem sung before basketball games.Their rite to do so, but people gave up their lives for young men to be so disrespectful.

 

 

I've never been to a game where the Crazies yelled "Colonels!" prior to the very last word of the anthem. I always listen because I, too, would find it disrespectful and, unlike you, I WOULD mention it.

I've never been to a game where the Crazies yelled "Colonels!" prior to the very last word of the anthem. I always listen because I, too, would find it disrespectful and, unlike you, I WOULD mention it.

 

Not condoning it, but they (we) did it for years. I remember it from back when I started going to Cov Cath football games in the mid-80s, and we were still doing it when I was a senior in the late 90s. It has been stopped though.

Not condoning it, but they (we) did it for years. I remember it from back when I started going to Cov Cath football games in the mid-80s, and we were still doing it when I was a senior in the late 90s. It has been stopped though.

 

Quite a few things were addressed once Ms. Karen Samples wrote this article in the fall of 2000.

 

SAMPLES: CovCath

I believe you can believe in what something stands for and not believe in what it is supposed to stand for. I know that makes no sense to everyone but me. So here are a few examples.

 

Oskar Schindler was a member of the Nazi Party but yet felt compassion and helped Jews during the holocaust.

 

After the Civil War our government went on a spree of eliminating the American Indian and stealing their land and forcing them onto reservations and at times giving them blankets with smallpox in the hopes it would kill them and also introduced the American Indian to alcohol which in turn led to severe alcoholism in many tribes. Also a government that lied about the way the Maine sunk just so they could have a war with Spain.

 

So if the Confederate Flag represents racism, does the American Flag represent murder, stealing, and lying?

 

I might agree with you IF one of the first speeches that the first US president or vice president gave declared murder, stealing, and lying to be the "cornerstones" of the country, but alas, they didn't. Correct me if I'm wrong, but John Adams and George Washington didn't deliver any such speech. Instead they signed the Declaration of Independence and ratified the US Constitution.

Let me be the first person in this thread to ask you to please change your mind on what "meaning" you give the confederate flag. I'll start off by offering you what the real meaning of that flag is:

 

The first national flag of The Confederate States of America, called "The Stars And Bars" was designed in February of 1861 at the commission of The Confederate States of America, a new nation of secession formed by votes of secession just that month in the states of South Carolina, Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, and Texas. The flag was officially adopted on March 4, 1861 when it was raised over the Confederate capitol in Montgomery, AL.

 

17 days later, newly elected Confederate Vice President Alexander Stevens delivered a speech, known as "The Cornerstone Speech", where he officially proclaimed the core differences between the CSA and the USA, and explained exactly what the primary cornerstone of the CSA was. He clearly stated it thusly:

"Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition."

 

The Confederate States of America are founded in racism and held racism as their absolute greatest of values. It was an absolutely racist republic, and the Stars And Bars were designed expressly to represent that racist republic. These are facts. Mountainref, please accept these facts as such and quit trying to convince yourself that the Confederate Flag represents anything other than racism.

 

With all due respect, this is what I found on the Rebel flag, I didnt see anyting mentioned about race, only trying to change design for sake of not being confused during battle. not to say you are wrong.

 

While there were several smaller skirmishes in early 1861, the first major battle of the year, and the war for that matter, was the Battle of Bull Run, which was fought on July 21, 1861. There were over 4,800 men killed or wounded on the two sides.

 

At the Battle of Bull Run, there were a number of Confederate regiments that used the Confederate national flag as their battle flag. While having a National flag that looks similar to the old United States flag might have been comforting to the people of the newly formed Confederacy, it turned out to be a bad idea in battle. In battle, the purpose of a flag is to help identify who is who. Who is on your side, and who is on the other side. From this perspective, having two sides fight under flags that are similar in appearance is a very bad idea. It actually did cause some degree of confusion at the Battle of Bull Run.The confusion caused by the similarity in the flags was of great concern to Confederate General P.G.T. Beauregard. He suggested that the Confederate national flag be changed to something completely different, to avoid confusion in battle in the future. This idea was rejected by the Confederate government. Beauregard then suggested that there should be two flags. One, the National flag, and the second one being a battle flag, with the battle flag being completely different from the United States flag.

 

Beauregard was successful in having a separate battle flag created. The one chosen was actually similar to one of the flags that had earlier been proposed to be the National flag. The battle flag would be a blue X on a red field. As a battle flag, the flag would be square. The flag had 13 stars, for the thirteen states in the Confederacy. This flag was first used in battle in December 1861. Being a new flag, different from the United States flag, it gained widespread acceptance and allegiance among the Confederate soldiers, and population in general. The flag is referred to as the Confederate battle flag, and as the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia.

 

It should be noted, however, that there were many different confederate battle flags used at different times, and by different regiments in the war

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With all due respect, this is what I found on the Rebel flag, I didn't see anything mentioned about race, only trying to change design for sake of not being confused during battle. Not to say you are wrong.

 

While there were several smaller skirmishes in early 1861, the first major battle of the year, and the war for that matter, was the Battle of Bull Run, which was fought on July 21, 1861. There were over 4,800 men killed or wounded on the two sides.

 

At the Battle of Bull Run, there were a number of Confederate regiments that used the Confederate national flag as their battle flag. While having a National flag that looks similar to the old United States flag might have been comforting to the people of the newly formed Confederacy, it turned out to be a bad idea in battle. In battle, the purpose of a flag is to help identify who is who. Who is on your side, and who is on the other side. From this perspective, having two sides fight under flags that are similar in appearance is a very bad idea. It actually did cause some degree of confusion at the Battle of Bull Run.The confusion caused by the similarity in the flags was of great concern to Confederate General P.G.T. Beauregard. He suggested that the Confederate national flag be changed to something completely different, to avoid confusion in battle in the future. This idea was rejected by the Confederate government. Beauregard then suggested that there should be two flags. One, the National flag, and the second one being a battle flag, with the battle flag being completely different from the United States flag.

 

Beauregard was successful in having a separate battle flag created. The one chosen was actually similar to one of the flags that had earlier been proposed to be the National flag. The battle flag would be a blue X on a red field. As a battle flag, the flag would be square. The flag had 13 stars, for the thirteen states in the Confederacy. This flag was first used in battle in December 1861. Being a new flag, different from the United States flag, it gained widespread acceptance and allegiance among the Confederate soldiers, and population in general. The flag is referred to as the Confederate battle flag, and as the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia.

 

It should be noted, however, that there were many different confederate battle flags used at different times, and by different regiments in the war

 

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make by posting this article about the battle, but if that's the only thing you found when looking for information on the Confederate flag, you must not have been looking very hard. Try typing "stars and bars" or "confederate flag" into Google - the first thing that comes up is a Wikipedia article titled "Flags of the Confederate States of America".

With all due respect, this is what I found on the Rebel flag, I didnt see anyting mentioned about race, only trying to change design for sake of not being confused during battle. not to say you are wrong.

 

While there were several smaller skirmishes in early 1861, the first major battle of the year, and the war for that matter, was the Battle of Bull Run, which was fought on July 21, 1861. There were over 4,800 men killed or wounded on the two sides.

 

At the Battle of Bull Run, there were a number of Confederate regiments that used the Confederate national flag as their battle flag. While having a National flag that looks similar to the old United States flag might have been comforting to the people of the newly formed Confederacy, it turned out to be a bad idea in battle. In battle, the purpose of a flag is to help identify who is who. Who is on your side, and who is on the other side. From this perspective, having two sides fight under flags that are similar in appearance is a very bad idea. It actually did cause some degree of confusion at the Battle of Bull Run.The confusion caused by the similarity in the flags was of great concern to Confederate General P.G.T. Beauregard. He suggested that the Confederate national flag be changed to something completely different, to avoid confusion in battle in the future. This idea was rejected by the Confederate government. Beauregard then suggested that there should be two flags. One, the National flag, and the second one being a battle flag, with the battle flag being completely different from the United States flag.

 

Beauregard was successful in having a separate battle flag created. The one chosen was actually similar to one of the flags that had earlier been proposed to be the National flag. The battle flag would be a blue X on a red field. As a battle flag, the flag would be square. The flag had 13 stars, for the thirteen states in the Confederacy. This flag was first used in battle in December 1861. Being a new flag, different from the United States flag, it gained widespread acceptance and allegiance among the Confederate soldiers, and population in general. The flag is referred to as the Confederate battle flag, and as the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia.

 

It should be noted, however, that there were many different confederate battle flags used at different times, and by different regiments in the war

 

With all due respect, I still have a hard time understanding why representing the Confederate states of the Civil War is something to be proud of.

With all due respect, I still have a hard time understanding why representing the Confederate states of the Civil War is something to be proud of.

 

As I said, I cannot stand the Confederate Flag. However, as I mentioned earlier the idea of the Confederacy vs. The Union was not as simple as the south wanted slavery and the north did not so they went to war, though that is what many people believe. Whether you are proud or not of America's heritage, there are millions of Americans whose descendents lived in the south. We cannot fully gauge the attitudes and beliefs of everyone in the south at the time. We can only hope to honor their place in history and realize that through the years their descendents have learned from their mistakes.

As I said, I cannot stand the Confederate Flag. However, as I mentioned earlier the idea of the Confederacy vs. The Union was not as simple as the south wanted slavery and the north did not so they went to war, though that is what many people believe. Whether you are proud or not of America's heritage, there are millions of Americans whose descendents lived in the south. We cannot fully gauge the attitudes and beliefs of everyone in the south at the time. We can only hope to honor their place in history and realize that through the years their descendents have learned from their mistakes.

 

 

True. I still shudder when I see a Confederate flag. Doesn't exactly give me a warm fuzzy feeling. Plus, nobody is wearing a Union flag dress to prom. There aren't Union flags spray painted into the back windows of pick up trucks. We visited the University of Cumberlands last week and when touring the dorms one student had his door open and he had a huge Confederate flag covering his wall. Needless to say we made quick glances and quickly moved on. My son is choosing Campbellsville. You may see it and say it's not as simple as the South wanted slaves and the North didn't so they fought. To me it is. In my eyes and the eyes of many the Confederacy represents everything that was wrong with the strong and proud Southern white people in the 1800's. May sound harsh but that is the truth. I am proud of my American heritage but for me the Confederacy is not American. They seceded from America. That's not America to me.

As I said, I cannot stand the Confederate Flag. However, as I mentioned earlier the idea of the Confederacy vs. The Union was not as simple as the south wanted slavery and the north did not so they went to war, though that is what many people believe. Whether you are proud or not of America's heritage, there are millions of Americans whose descendents lived in the south. We cannot fully gauge the attitudes and beliefs of everyone in the south at the time. We can only hope to honor their place in history and realize that through the years their descendents have learned from their mistakes.

 

The Southern states seceded and formed a new government over the issue of slavery and its preservation. I don't think that much can be disputed. While many Southerners were probably too poor to own slaves and while there weren't opinion polls back then, they were certainly voting politicians into office who espoused those views on slavery. While it's part of our country's history, it's an unfortunate part. The Confederate flag represents an enemy of the United States of America. I find it troubling that it is viewed in a celebratory light these days and that so many want to gloss over what the Confederacy was created for.

True. I still shudder when I see a Confederate flag. Doesn't exactly give me a warm fuzzy feeling. Plus, nobody is wearing a Union flag dress to prom. There aren't Union flags spray painted into the back windows of pick up trucks. We visited the University of Cumberlands last week and when touring the dorms one student had his door open and he had a huge Confederate flag covering his wall. Needless to say we made quick glances and quickly moved on. My son is choosing Campbellsville. You may see it and say it's not as simple as the South wanted slaves and the North didn't so they fought. To me it is. In my eyes and the eyes of many the Confederacy represents everything that was wrong with the strong and proud Southern white people in the 1800's. May sound harsh but that is the truth. I am proud of my American heritage but for me the Confederacy is not American. They seceded from America. That's not America to me.

 

The Southern states seceded and formed a new government over the issue of slavery and its preservation. I don't think that much can be disputed. While many Southerners were probably too poor to own slaves and while there weren't opinion polls back then, they were certainly voting politicians into office who espoused those views on slavery. While it's part of our country's history, it's an unfortunate part. The Confederate flag represents an enemy of the United States of America. I find it troubling that it is viewed in a celebratory light these days and that so many want to gloss over what the Confederacy was created for.

 

And trust me, I am not defending the Confederacy. My blood boils when I see the Confederate Flag. Just pointing out why some may not look to fully excoriate all previous family members for living in the south. All history has its bad parts. Learning from those mistakes is the most important part of it all.

 

And trust me, I am not defending the Confederacy. My blood boils when I see the Confederate Flag. Just pointing out why some may not look to fully excoriate all previous family members for living in the south. All history has its bad parts. Learning from those mistakes is the most important part of it all.

 

I don't disagree or think people should excoriate themselves, but I think instead of learning from history's mistakes many wish to ignore them or claim a false history. To me that's what the Confederate flag represents today.

And trust me, I am not defending the Confederacy. My blood boils when I see the Confederate Flag. Just pointing out why some may not look to fully excoriate all previous family members for living in the south. All history has its bad parts. Learning from those mistakes is the most important part of it all.

 

True. I hear you and agree.