Diogenes

Broken thumb.

Then I suppose I should be flattered that so many take my comments from earlier this year to heart and remember them for so long. It occurs to me that you may be speaking about threads where others may have cast aspersions on T's title. Although any game is fair game for speculation, I thought the best team won that game. If you go back several years you can find any number of examples where the best team did not win state because of a bad draw, and the winning team lallygagged into the finals on a weak draw. It happens, and it is just a fact of sports, and really, a fact of life. It would be interesting to have a thread something like "The most unexpected winner of a state football championship in Kentucky history". Sometimes, though, as time goes on it becomes apparent that the unexpected champion truly deserved the title. As to this thread, I still think if anyone gets 17 this year it will be T and not Highlands. As I understand it, Highlands will probably have to play Cov Cath and BG to get 17, and T will probably only have to play X or Male as a major obstacle to 17.

Yes, I believe that was indicated in Jody's column. But people were wondering why Jody picked it so close, and I was speculating that he may have felt the Rocks would miss Phillips enough to make a game that most feel will be won by a much larger margin than Jody predicted. For what its worth, your pick seems to me to be more accurate than Jody's for this game.

Jody indicated that T had some injury problems. I wonder if this factored into his prediction? I believe that a Bruins victory in this game would be a shocking upset.

To my knowledge no one has ever been named Mr. Football and Mr. Basketball. If so, this thread would not be necessary.

Wasn't he an o-lineman for somebody in the last 5 years? Big, quick and mean, I heard. :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

LSURock] Haven't I heard this somewhere..... Oh yeah.... "last game".:lol: RockPride^ That's only because we play juniors on JV..... Relax fellas. Not every comment is directed toward you or your school. Copernicus discovered that the sun does not revolve around the earth. Likewise, the universe does not revolve around T. I actually had in mind on that particular comment the 1999 X Tigers. I thought Henry Clay was the better team that year, but T knocked them off early in the playoffs. However, if you think the shoe fits....

Remember the old saying: If it doesn't kill you, it will make you stronger.

Kissinger, in post #45, mentioned Paul Hornung. Although we are all aware of the Golden Boy's exploits on the gridiron , I found this snippet in an article about Hornung's high school career: "Hornung earned four varsity letters each in football, basketball and baseball. He was a good outside shooter at forward and once scored a record 32 points in the prestigious Louisville Invitation Tournament." A further indicator of his athletic ability: He was a good hitter in baseball, and played second base and pitched. As a pitcher, he threw a no-hitter!

If it happens this year, I would favor T. Their road to the championship has fewer impediments than Highlands. The first formidable foe Trinity may face in the playoffs would be X or Male in round three,. It appears now that either X or Male will eliminate the other in round two, if they survive the first round, which at this time appears to be games against Manual and PRP. The best team does not always win state; often the champion is the squad with the most favorable playoff schedule.

A little "techy" are we? Gryche11, DMZ76, and any others of our Highlands friends who also inquired as to whether and/or how many juniors T plays on their JV team, this is a question some posters are a bit prickly about. My question was primarily adressed to Highlands posters when I inquired "Does Highlands play juniors on their JV team? Also, is there a norm for these games? Do most teams play juniors in JV games?" However, anyone who may know the answer is free to chip in, hopefully in a relaxed manner.

Does Highlands play juniors on their JV team? Also, is there a norm for these games? Do most teams play juniors in JV games? Good luck to both squads.

T has but one JV team. That team plays juniors and sophomores.

I have posted previously on the definition of "runninig up a score". The winner's score is an indicator of running up the score, but I believe there are other factors.Throwing deep when the game is out of hand is also a factor, a part of "other indicia" in determining running up a score. However, a running team can run up a score sans passing. Perhaps the most telling factor, in my opinion, in running up a score, is keeping the first string in after the game is decided. Reasonable minds may differ as to when a game is decided, but most would agree that a 45 or more point lead indicates "game decided". That is when a running clock begins. Thereafter, if the team in the lead is engaging in the above behavior, the score is being run up. Some fans and coaches abhor this type of play and others are ok with it. It is within the rules of the game, but perhaps not within the rules of sportsmanship. Becaus the definition is a bit hazy most of us know it when we see it. Certain coaches of certain teams have well deserved reputations for running up the score, and it is difficult for a leopard to change his spots.

Very informative post. Is there a shortage of high school refs? If so, what is the pay and how does one look into becoming a HS ref in Ky? I know several young people who played HS ball and may be interested. Shifting gears, I have said that the first honest football fan I meet will be the fan who says, leaving a game: We would never have won this game except that the ref really blew a call, and it cost our opponent the game.

I have seen Western play this year. They hung 67 on 4A Butler, a somewhat average team with a decent running game. I've not seen other 2A teams, but on that one performance I saw, I would not count out Western. Their running attack is far above average. As to the running attack vs. passing attack issue, proponents of either could cite a slew of examples to buttress their argument. If anything, this serves to illustrate that a good team can win implementing either style. Some examples, based on selected teams or selected years: Running- Belfry, X, Colerain. Passing-Male, Breathit County, T. I know that BGPers will be shocked, shocked I say, to hear this, but I have found that fans of one style of attack over another generally support a team that employs their favored style of offense! Hmmm....

Talamini - Yes. He is in the Oilers' Hall of Fame. Gahm - I could find no NFL record for him. Sipes-No. he was Horning's best friend in grade school and HS at Flaget. They broke Bear Bryant's heart and signed with Notre Dame. Sipes, the Kentucky state champion sprinter, injured his leg, effectivey ending his football career. He moved to San Francisco and became a successful attorney. Horung, the "Golden Boy", followed the wishes of his devoutly Catholic mother when he went to Notre Dame. He won a still disputed Heisman in 1956, and is in the NFL Hall of Fame. He still holds the NFL single season scoring record. Thanks for the info on Brame. I wonder where he is now?

I had thought about which Catholic school the son would attend. While we should not exclude DeSales or Holy Cross, because of numbers and because although St. Rita was Phil's home parish, I would imagine he may be in a different socio-economic situation now, the odds are that he may move east and his son would attend X or T. Indeed, T throws more, but X would turn him into a darned good running back or linebacker!

Yes. Also, I believe he attended St. Cecilia elementary school.

Phil Simms attended Southern High School and St. Rita grade school in Louisville. He was Catholic, so there is a good chance his sons would have attended Catholic high school.

Sherman Lewis and Steve Wright-Manual-1959 Rick Norton-Flaget-1960 Maurice Moorman-St. X-1963 Dickie Lyons-St. X-1965 Lee Bougess-Shawnee-1967 Joe Federspeil-DeSales-1967 Mark Sander-DeSales-1985 Dean Wells-Holy Cross-1987 Jeremi Johnson-Ballard-1997 Joe Jacoby-Western-1976 Jeff Brohm-Trinity-1987 Lawrence Brame-Hopkinsville-1965?CFL Dickie Moore-Owensboro?1965?-CFL

Great thread. Thanks for the work. So I assume that it is true that Highlands jumped two divisions higher?

How about Male this year? They have speed and athleticism this year and seem to be separating themselves from the rest of us in the polls and the rating systems. Enough yanking Trinity's chain. Anyone care to analyze this one?

At first blush I thought that perhaps this was a fan who was sandbagging, but then I looked up Eastern's record. It appears that they have played several schools closer than I would have thought. Two concerns, though, if I were Eastern: First, a big loss to Butler. I have seen Butler this season and it is never a good sign to lose 28 - 7 to a 4A school that has lost earlier in the season to a 2A squad 67-34. Second, judging from Shamrock posts over the last two or three years on this bulletin board and from conversations with some of my Trinity friends, there is bad blood between the schools. (spell S-e-x-t-o-n). Putting all these factors in the computer, looking at all the polls and ratings for the last 37 years, and reviewing the experts opinions on this thread I say Trinity 56-Eastern 20. Eastern's tallies will come late, after Trinity calls off the dogs. By the way, good luck against a school led by one of the chief architects of the move to expel private schools from a unified playoff system.

I have seen both teams play against St. X. From a neutral observer's perspective the old dilemma "would you rather drown in the Atlantic or the Pacific?" applies here. Bowling Green had a quick and powerful defense, but their offense was without their quarterback and their star running back. Despite this, St. X struggled to beat the Purples. And on the other hand, Highlands was able to spread the Tigers out and roll up yards and points. I preferred the Highlands offense and the Purples defense, based on one observation of each team. Bear in mind that the Purples were absent much of their backfield in the contest I observed. It would not be unreasonable to place either team at the fourth position. (By the way, both schools had some of the classiest fans I have seen). If these squads make it to the title game it will be a ticket worth purchasing!