Diogenes

Well, sure there can. If there are more stdents than seats and classrooms, they simply redistrict. Private schools do not have this luxury. In terms of your third and fourth sentence, you are not exactly correct. For example, some counties have an assigned school that accepts all BD students. Thus, if a student is determined to be BD, he or she is simply shipped to the public school assigned to take these kids. Same as the privates, really.

He was a horse, and more importantly, a fine young man. Good luck to Adam at the next step in his education.

Well, we are pretty broadly in agreement. For the most part, under almost any set of circumstances, a school will draw few if any students from 100 miles away. And, students in close proximity to a school (the community) should have priority if seats are limited.

Well, if politicians control poor quality schools, more reason than ever to give people the information and right to choose so they are not locked into these politically controlled schools. As a fundamental premise, can we agree that the family should be empowered to choose, rather than the system?

H, LBBC we have in this thread the nub of the issue: Should schools control where a child matriculates, or should the family make the decision? Those of us who are proponents of the family see competition for students as beneficial to families. Our position is: Improve your school and let the public know about it. You will survive as a school if you provide a better product to the public. The people will vote by deciding on the superior product. That is the market economy. Education is no better or worse than medicine, law or any other service in the United States that must compete to survive.

I do not understand your point. Are you contending that parents thought that public education under KERA was going to hold students accountable, and because of this parents sent their children to private schools where parents felt the students would not be held accountable?

Indeed, Oldbird, if there is one thing I have learned is that it is whose ox is gored.

Now, Rockmom. given that they say you don't look a day over 21, grade school wasn't that long ago!:thumb:

Rockmom, if that is accurate, privates have won the last 6 girls state titles but prior to that privates had won only 2 of the previous 24 girls titles. Was there less "emphasis of girls sports in private grade schools (which) plays a huge role in their performance at the high school level" during the period from about 1984 through 2000? Or less support? Or both?

But then, look at state titles. A private has won only one of the last 14 boys. Privates have won the last 6 girls. To what do you attribute this apparent inconsistency between private lack of success in boys and private success in girls? By the way, if one does not use the six year cutoff point, prior to that privates had won only 2 of the previous 24 girls titles.

We are on the same page here. You are accurate, at least about Trinity. I would add St. X to the group "that over the past couple of decades that the school, fans, administrators and students have placed anywhere near the commitment to bball that they have to football". I also agree that, with Trinity's new commitment to basketball, the future is bright for them. Perhaps that is the answer to my cunundrum: Why small schools often win over large schools in basketball, but not in football?-commitment! My point was that in basketball, as in many matters...size matters!

I am not sure that I agree with your theory as far as results, although your premise is sound. Certainly the more males in the school, the deeper the pool of talent. Theoretically. And yet, as LSURock pointed out, Trinity has never won state. Other behemoths have also fared poorly over the years. Henderson County has never won state. St. X has not won state since 1962. On the other hand, smaller schools such as Paintsville, E'town, Marion County and University Heights have won state in the past fifteen years. Your implication that basketball is more interesting if a large number of schools have a possibility of winning is indisputable. To that end it will be interesting to watch basketball in the next few years if, as predicted, the U.S. Supreme Court abolishes busing in Louisville. Then I believe the tournament will revert to its status in the years immediately preceding busing, when Male, Shawnee and Central traded the trophy among themselves.

Call me naive, but I do not know what you are hinting at. Rather than putting it between the lines, come staight out and say it. I must not be an "in the know" poster. Lets be above the table and straightforward in our posts to avoid misunderstandings.

Gotcha.:thumb: Well, regarding being on scholly, you answered that one already: "How can he be on scholarship? He isn't enrolled in school." Ipso facto, he is either working and paying himself, or someone else i.e. parent, girlfriend is paying. Case closed.

Perhaps you guys know something that I don't, but after reading in this thread that he is living in Lexington and working out I presumed that he had a job like most young people who are not in college. Maybe his parents are paying for him. (It wouldn't be the first time parents have paid for a child living away from home). What is the big deal?

You wouldn't be stirring the pot, would you?

One of the rites of spring is reviewing the picks for the NCAA men's tournament and analyzing the teams that were overlooked. At the outset, only 65 teams are invited to the tournament. Of that 65, several spots are reserved for conference winners. After those are removed from the mix, the remaining openings should be, in my opinion, filled by the best teams. If, and only if, there is a virtual tie in determining which is the best team, extraneous factors should be utilized to make a determination. These factors may include which players are injured, how hot a team has been, and various other factors. A review of previous posts indicates complaints about the following teams being "snubbed": Drexel- Sure they had a gaudy record, but they achieved that record primarily by playing a weak schedule. Their schedule this year was the 131st roughest in the country. Having said that, when they did play good teams they won. For example, against top 25 teams they were 1-0. Against top 50 teams they were 3-0. On balance, though, the weak schedule doomed them. Their Sagarin and rating was 74th, not even enough to get into the tournament if the criteria were merely the top 65 teams. Drexel should not be in the tournament. Syracuse- This is a team for which it is hard to feel sympathy. Despite playing in a rugged conference, the caliber of their opposition outside the conference caused their strength of schedule to sink to 76th. They played clunkers when not in conference and they exhibited an extreme aversion to playing on the road. When their record against top opposition is examined, any argument for Syracuse weakens further. Against top 25 teams they were 2-4 Against top 50 teams their record was 3-5. Their overall Sagarin rating was 49th. To their credit, they finished the season winning seven of their last ten and they beat Georgetown, that in itself an accomplishment. Overall though, too little too late. Syracuse should not be in the tournament. KState- The closest comparison to Kansas State is Syracuse. Like Syracuse, they played a weak schedule, ranked 70th nationally. When they did step up the caliber of opposition, primarily in their conference, they lost. Against top 25 teams they were 1-4. Against top 50, they were 2-5. Sagarin had them one notch above Syracuse at 48th. If Syracuse did not deserve a bid, neither does Kansas State. They should not be in the tournament. Florida State-This is the team with a legitimate beef. Strength of schedule? Try 13th roughest in the nation. Sagarin rating? Try 38th in the nation. Their Achilles' heel, perhaps, was when they played rugged opposition they lost. For example, against top 25 teams they were 4-7. Against top 50 teams they were 5-12. Everything considered, though, they did what they were supposed to do, playing a rugged schedule and winning enough to have their computer ranking at 38th. The Seminoles should be in the tournament. Air Force-They played the 100th most difficult schedule in the nation this year. Their record was 22 wins and eight losses. Against the top 25 they were 0-1 and versus the top 50 they were 1-4. They finished their season with a flurry of losses. Despite this, they had some early impressive victories. Overall, their computer rating in the Sagarin system, which is a combination of the won lost record and the score margin methodology, placed them at the 43rd rank. Additionally, in the case of Air Force, if extraneous variables are considered the nod should be given to players who are going to defend the country and to a program that is unquestionably populated by students, not mercenaries playing basketball. Air Force should have been in. Who else should have been considered? Clemson and Missouri State. Clemson faced a reasonably difficult schedule at 34th in the nation. They competed against a bevy of top teams, going 2-6 against the top 25 and 7-9 against the top 50. Sagarin had them rated 26th. Sure, they did not finish strong, but Sagarin had them seven spots above the University of Louisville, and no one would dispute that U of L should be in. Statistically, Missouri State is a Clemson clone. Their schedule was the 30th most difficult in the nation and Sagarin hand them ranked 27th. Their weakness was their record against high caliber opposition. Top 25 teams won two of three against them, and top 50 teams won six of seven against them.

Ballard wins 62-50.

Well......yes. 18 USC 1001: (a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully— (1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact; (2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or (3) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry; shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both. (b) Subsection (a) does not apply to a party to a judicial proceeding, or that party’s counsel, for statements, representations, writings or documents submitted by such party or counsel to a judge or magistrate in that proceeding. © With respect to any matter within the jurisdiction of the legislative branch, subsection (a) shall apply only to— (1) administrative matters, including a claim for payment, a matter related to the procurement of property or services, personnel or employment practices, or support services, or a document required by law, rule, or regulation to be submitted to the Congress or any office or officer within the legislative branch; or (2) any investigation or review, conducted pursuant to the authority of any committee, subcommittee, commission or office of the Congress, consistent with applicable rules of the House or Senate. There is no law against a politician lying to voters. For that to be illegal, the politicians would have to pass a law that........nah, won't happen!

Why do you say that? What makes the X stadium better? Do others agree?

Based upon conversations at the Swim Team banquet last evening, I posit that the Tigers will add to their already impressive streak next year. Marty and Mike O'Toole run a classy and impressive program that is a credit to the outstanding tradition of St. Xavier high school. It is said that it is hard to be humble when you are good, but the O'Toole's are living proof that it can be done. On a parallel note, it was interesting to learn last night that Marty O'Toole outswam an Olympic gold medal winner every time they competed but then followed the path of the Xaverian Brothers rather than the path to Olympic gold. Finally, for anyone in the know, has the St. Xavier swim team won more state titles than any other school in Jefferson County's total state titles in all sports?

I am only going off the Kansas City template. I hope you are right. Below is an excerpt from "Money And School Performance:Lessons from the Kansas City Desegregation Experiment" by Paul Ciotti regarding the post busing landscape in Kansas City: But despite a $900,000 television advertising budget and a $6.4 million special budget for door-to-door transportation of suburban students, the district did not attract the ...white suburban students ... Even that modest number drastically declined after the Supreme Court's 1995 ruling that the judge had no authority to spend taxpayer dollars to transport suburban students into the district. By the 1996-97 school year, only 387 suburban students were still attending school in the KCMSD. Given that the district's annual desegregation budget was approximately $200 million, the cost of attracting those suburban students was half a million dollars per year per child. Some people in the black community regarded the white reluctance to attend school in the KCMSD as further proof of white racism--"You can't just build a $6 million school facility, call it a magnet, offer some romantic courses and think all the white students are going to come," said Kansas City mayor Emanuel Cleaver... ---------- It is a worrisome truism that when people have a choice they tend to segregate. Dr. King famously stated "The most segregated hour in America is Sunday morning church". http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-298.html

CentreRocks beat me to the answer, but his is a succinct and accurate analysis. Race would no longer be a permissible factor in determining public school enrollment. BTW, some commentators have posited that this Supreme Court will issue a far ranging opinion on this case that overturns affirmative action. If so, the ruling would dwarf almost every ruling for the prior several decades in terms of impact on both the law and society, IMHO.

This is the key, and more farsighted people see it as the bombshell. Sandra Day O'Connor left the Supreme Court and was replaced by Samuel Alito. Most astute Supreme Court watchers, including one of the attorneys who argued the case before the United States Supreme Court, feel that this will result in busing being abolished in Jefferson County. Followers of Alito strongly feel that he will vote opposite the way that Justice O'Connor. Previous votes had been a 5-4 margin favoring issues similar to busing, with Justice O'Connor voting with the majority.This will cause the most radical revision of public schools in Jefferson County since the institution of busing in the 1970s. The repercussions will be for reaching, and, I believe, will also impact heavily on Catholic and other private schools. Approximately 7 years ago Kansas City ended busing. The city spent vast sums of money to build and maintain magnet, traditional and other types of schools in the inner city with top class facilities. The hope was that suburban children would be attracted in order to keep a mixture of diversity. Ultimately, Kansas City residents voted with their feet, resulting in children being sent to their neighborhood schools. The system re-segregated. Louisville is no different than Kansas City. If busing is struck down, the makeup of the schools in Jefferson County will return to some approximation of what it was pre busing. This will have major implications for schools such as Male and Manual. (Remember these schools, and Durrett, immediately before busing). It will also impact on the enrollment at Catholic schools, in my opinion. Once parents are free to send their children to their neighborhood schools rather than send their children to distant and unknown neighborhoods and schools, many will forgo spending over $8,000 annually to educate their children in private schools and will forego sending them to "magnet, traditional", or what ever type of school takes their children miles from their neighborhood. It will impact the enrollment in all Catholic schools, and I believe it will impact the enrollment more at Catholic schools with a lower percentage of Catholics enrolled. Mark my words, this will change everything, not the least of which is high school football. I really feel that this will dwarf the vouchers/public-private issue in Jefferson County for many years to come. Tune in for the decision this June.

It surprised me when Tayshaun McBroom signed with West Georgia out of college. Watching him in high school, I thought that he would be a high D1 prospect (UK or UL at least). Was anyone else surprised?