Diogenes

On that we can agree.

Had fate unfolded differently and you matriculated at Poplar Level you would be advocating the predominant home stand approach.

Well...its always easy to say what would have been done after the fact. In reality, Trinity did not call, nor will the school that breaks this record call Trinity.

I think he was at the top of the home side, which is higher than any Catholic school stadium in the state, so unless he is in great shape he was winded!

Gotcha. And if a team closes on breaking the streak, I would expect that team to be about as anxious to play Trinity as Trinity was to play the former record holder when Trinity was closing on their streak.

Sure, I understand that and no one has said that Trinity has been known to shy away from competition. What I was pointing out was that Trinity did not affirmatively go out and schedule Danville when it was closing in on breaking the Danville streak-likewise, if a team is closing in on Trinity's win streak record they would have no obligation to go out and affirmatively schedule Trinity, as was stated in an earlier post.

Did Trinity schedule the team that held the longest undefeated streak prior to Trinity breaking the streak?

He didn't shirk controversy and he did not brook ambiguity. Nothing about him was halfway. He rankled a lot of us more than once, but you knew where he stood on an issue. Always foursquare behind LSU and Trinity. He and I tangled more than once on this board, and time to time I received pointed PMs from him. He was a one of a kind, a force, and he surely loved THS. My condolences to his family and friends. RIP.

It probably will be broken eventually. Boyle County came close a few years ago, but the record has stood for over 15 years. It will be unlikely to occur in the 6A classification because Male, Trinity and St. X will cancel one another out every couple of years. I could see Belfry or Breathitt County or Mayfield turning the trick, but it will not be easy. Danville and Beechwood will have a hard time breaking it, Danville because they play Boyle County and Beechwood because of the strength of their schedule. What is with that particular helmet avatar, CentreRocks?

Saturday morning jug or litter on campus?

17 Time- I'll bet the X-T game week was wild at your house with a brother at X. BTW, thanks for the support vs. Ballard. I have attended and cheered for T against another of T's "dear friends"-- Eastern. As posted by others, arrive early if you want a seat for the first game.

Ox, have you heard this from persons in authority, or is it scuttlebut? Trinity fans-I have attended three games at the new stadium, but do not recall if there is tailgating. (I've seen a lot of tail kicking-by T- of their opponents:D). If there is tailgating permitted, how has it worked out?

This is a topic that has drawn some interest from X fans. The culture of St. X football is, in some ways, unique. (I am sure this is true for most successful programs). X played in the largest high school stadium in the state, an old stadium that was steeped in tradition. X was a tenant in the stadium. It was located in an older, somewhat insular neighborhood. There are a number of restaurant/watering holes nearby, some owned by X people, that have been in business for decades, or even more than a half century. X fans, parents and players gathered at those locations, not just on game nights, and the topic of conversation was often athletic exploits, some of which occurred 50 or 60 years ago. Legends were burnished and grew in the retelling. All of these factors contributed to make the X football experience different from most school's experiences. The new stadium brings promise of new rituals and traditions. It is impossible to forecast where they will lead. However, it would be a pity, not just for X, but for Louisville and Kentucky high school football,, to witness a wholesale abandonment of all of the old traditions and rituals.

I am a bit of a latecomer to this portion of the debate. As I understand it, pldgreatno2 and the Louisville posters are in agreement that Trinity, X and Male are the big 3, at least in general. The issue is if "Manual, PRP, etc, while second tier in Louisville, would be top shelf in Lexington"....would they be A-list schools. Even if there is not a base of games between Lexington schools and these two, perhaps the Lit ratings and Cantrell would shed light on the matter. Does anyone have access to the final Lit/Cantrell since around 2000? At least we would have an objective basis for the discussion.

Never did at X's stadium, and as far as I know there are no plans for the X-T game at X.

Hey, hey, watch it-you are thinking out of the box. It is that permitted in Kentucky high school football?

I had forgotten about that game. I am not certain that this was the very same game, but your point is, I believe, the dominance of the Jefferson County schools over the out in the state schools. In this,you are correct. Also, RowdyRedRam's post bears comment. He is also correct that Manual is often competitive with X, Trinity, and Male. Observers of Jefferson County football can attest to any number of games these three have played with Manual that came down to an interception, a missed field goal, or a botched play that prevented the Rams from triumph. It also bears mention that Pleasure Ridge Park has a young coach, an enthusiastic following, and is gradually creeping into contention among the elite in Jefferson County high school football. As to the nut of the issue, "When will Lexington compete with Louisville schools in 6A? Do you think it will ever happen? Do they have a chance this year with either Lafayette or Henry Clay?" I do not think they will be competitive this upcoming season. I have wondered before why they are not regularly competitive. Sure, there is the occasional odd year that they compete with the Louisville schools (1999 when Henry Clay played Trinity close before bowing and Bryan Station lost to X in overtime) but generally most astute observers of Kentucky high school football would not claim that year in and year out the elite Lexington football schools could match up with the elite Louisville football schools. I personally believe that if they were more competitive it would be better for high school football in Kentucky because it would foment regional rivalries and add excitement to the playoffs.

To objectively refute The Golfers position, Louisville schools, spearheaded by Trinity, have dominated 4A football throughout its existence. Remove Trinity from the mixture, and Male and X would be dominant. Examine the record since 2000: Male 2006-At a minimum, 2nd best team in the state. Highest computer rankings. One loss-Trinity-in a game that went down to the last play. The only non-Jefferson County opponent was an excellent Hopkinsville squad. Final score: Male, 56-7. 2002-14-1 record. Only loss: Trinity, 59-56, in a state championship game many feel is the greatest ever played in Kentucky. Non-Jefferson County Kentucky opponents: Hopkinsville, Highlands, Lex. Cath, Owensboro, Nelson County, Henderson County. No game closer than 11 points. 2001-Runnerup to Trinity. Record v. non-Jefferson County Kentucky opponents: 5-1. Hopkinsville, Highlands (Male by 30), Lex Cath, Meade County, Owensboro (twice). 2000-State champion. Record v. Non-Jefferson County Kentucky opponents: 4-0. Beat Hoptown, Oldham County, and Nelson County (twice). Closest game v. Non-Jefferson County Kentucky opponents: 20 points. X 2000- Lost only to Male and Trinity. Record v. Non-Jefferson County Kentucky opponents: 4-0. Beat Madison Central, Bullitt East and Meade County by 32 or more. Also beat North Hardin. 2003-State runnerup to Trinity. Record v. Non-Jefferson County Kentucky opponents:3-1. Loss was by 5 points. 2004- State champion. Record v. Non-Jefferson County Kentucky opponents:7-0. Beat Scott County(twice), Lex Cath, Meade County, Nelson County, North Hardin and Henderson County. North Hardin lost to X by 14: all others by 25 or more. X won two by 50+. 2005- State runner up to Trinity. Record v. Non-Jefferson County Kentucky opponents: 6-0. Overall records against top out in state squads:36-2. The two losses were close (5 points). Many wins were by 40 or more. Since 2000, 12 of 14 teams in the 4A finals were T, X, or Male.

As I understand it, there are 10 KHSAA state championships for boys each year. I could be slightly off, but as I recall, from 1997 through 2001 (1997-1998; 1998-1999; 1999-2000; 2000-2001) X won 5 of the 10 boys state team titles two times, four one time and three one year. I am not aware of such dominance by any school at any time in Kentucky high school athletic history.. .Are you? That is why, I think, Sports Illustrated ranked X 14TH nationally in athletics (and the only Kentucky school in the top 100). BTW, this was in addition to X being first or second (with Manual) in National Merit winners. Some years X has more National Merit winners than all the Catholic schools in Kentucky combined.

I remember that recent article very well. X was the only Kentucky school to rank in the top 100. It was an honor for X to be so recognized nationally by an authoritative, objective source.

Well, as to state, X won in 2001, 2002, and 2003. BTW, tuition is not 10k yet, although expenses for books, meals, etc. push it to that level. Cost is the concern many have for private, religious based education. There will always be families that can afford almost any expense. The danger is that private, religious based education would become the sole province of the wealthy. Historically, Catholic schools were priced within reach of most families. Jefferson County residents can confirm that many financially middle class and poor Catholic school students of the 50's, 60's, and 70's received excellent educations that enabled them to do well at universities and professional schools, and then come back to Louisville and become productive citizens. The rising cost of these schools threatens to limit access to this socio economic group.

Classmate of Larry or Vince?

True that. And I think we could also agree that Larry's son, Vince, could play a little football for Trinity.

Good memory. Another interesting aspect of the pre-1968 rivalry was that T had tied H 0-0, and lost 4 games by a seven points or less. BTW, was that the Hennessey/Riddle team?

Billy was just recounting that very game to me a couple of months ago. Ox, that must have been quite a Valley team to keep the score close against a very good X team that had lost only to Cincy Elder in a close game. Who were some of the players on that Valley team?