Jimmy Olson

I totally agree Brown is one of the top pitchers, but I don't know if I would say he's the best in NKY. We will start a new thread on that and get peoples thoughts.

Congrats to the Dawgs and Bolden.

Very familiar with Midland and know that they are always trying to get kids from this area to make it to their Redskins team. Midland has wanted my friends son for quite a few years now.

You are welcome WTF32. If your son plays for Midland, I'm quite sure they would they would be able to tell him the better pitch to learn to throw, that will not create stress on his arm. BlueTip and I just have a difference of opion on this matter. I stick to my guns on this, as I'm sure he does.

BlueTip, we will just have to agree to dis-agree on this.

Clyde listen to the feed of the game. Even the 2 announcers said something about it. I wasn't there and will take their word for it, that he did grab him by the foot. They even mention the Phantom foul against Collins. Anyway, go Holmes!!!

Listening to the feed online, it did sound like Cooper had some phantom calls against them which may have cost them this one. I guess one of the big ones was how does a kid get his ankle grabbed and that not be called intentional. Oh Well....Great Year Jags, and congrats to Coach Sullivan and Staff.

Here is some pretty good proof that Mariano does Supinate on his cutter.

Don't really want to get into a p*.... match on this. But here is just a little info. True to form, the supination angle of Lincecum's cutter lies somewhere between that of his fastball and slider, with just a slight tilt from a straight-forward fastball position. In theory, a pitcher can find several breaking-ball variations with respect to velocity and snap by toying with the angle of supination, and players such as Yu Darvish are able to add or subtract from velocity and break by adjusting the position of the forearm to create a handful of distinct breaking pitches. The difference between Lincecum’s cutter, slider, and curve ball is measured in degrees of supination. Timmy's only off-speed offering is a splitter, for which he uses a claw-like grip with index and middle fingers spread outside the seams at the top of the horseshoe. Often labeled as a change-up, what distinguishes Lincecum's split from a traditional cambio is the lack of early pronation, with a fastball forearm-angle when the splitter comes out to play. In this case, the decreased velocity comes from a deep grip that increases the frictional forces between the pitching hand and the baseball. A typical change-up will involve pre-set pronation that goes beyond the two-seam fastball, with pitchers utilizing myriad grip patterns such as the circle-change in order to get a feel for the proper forearm angle. The change-up is a “feel” pitch that some pitchers struggle to capture, making it one of the toughest pitches to harness consistently. Go to Baseball Prospectus | Raising Aces: Six Degrees of Supination to get your answer. Quick quiz: What pitch is Roy Halladay throwing in the picture on the left? On the right? In the end, it all boils down to semantics. Dan Haren throws a cutter that looks more like a typical slider, but I would not question Haren's choice of nomenclature, as he is the one with an intimate connection with the pitch. A pitcher's pet names for the arrows in his quiver might defy our commonly accepted archetypes of a pitch, but the labels are completely dependent on the player. Mechanically, a cutter is defined based on the pitcher's relative supination angles on his slider and fastball, but his own choice of terminology could come from grip, feel, velocity, trajectory, or the response that the pitch elicits from dejected batters as they walk back to the dugout. At the National Pitching Association, we would advise pitchers to name their offerings based on the preferences of scouts and coaches, as there are certain pitch combinations that are viewed as favorable within the community of baseball evaluators. Often, a curveball would be re-dubbed a “power slider” in order to give a particular impression, and I have witnessed scouts who will grade a pitch based partly on the expectations created by the name attached to the offering. A player can name his slider “rosebud” for all I care, as long as it gets results. Quiz Answer: On the left, Halladay is throwing a curve. On the right, he's throwing a cutter.

Actually BlueTip and Hellbird a "Cutter" is thrown to where you do supinate. Example Right Hander: Pronation Pitches - Fastball, Sinker and Change. They are thrown at 12:00 moving counter clockwise on the baseball. A Cutter is thrown moving clockwise on the baseball which is a supination pitch at about 1:00-1:30. Moving the hand a little further clockwise creates the slider. Obviously it would be the exact opposite for a Left Hander.

It might have been mentioned in the thread earlier but the biggest thing that I saw was all the missed free throws as you mentioned. Sometimes you are going to have those games were the ball won't go in the bucket, but there's no excuse at the line. They looked like they didn't have their legs under them last night at all. They will need their legs Saturday and like you said their goal was accomplished.

If you want another pitch to add to his fastball and change, have him learn to throw a sinker. That will keep his arm in the natural pronation postition.

Forbes is the unknown player that people need to watch from the hitting side of things for sure. Kid hits for average and power.

Couldn't have said it better Hellbird. From the games I'd seen he was mainly on the bench. I didn't see him at first until the end of the year last year.

Just and FYI "Fog", coach Bieger was NOT the 3rd base coach last year, at least at any game I had seen. He was either on the bench or at first. So he's not the one that I would think would make that call. I could be wrong but I really don't feel that those calls are on him.

Assuming a JuCo player isn't as good as a D1 player would be a mistake. There is NO MISTAKE about theat comment at all. Totally agree!!!

At the Yard are the Roosters!:thumb:

Academics are huge at all levels more so than Juco. Most of the players from this area are more on the DII, DIII and NAIA levels. There are very few players from this area that are even considered by DI colleges. You can probably count them on one hand. 1. The process should start by your Frosh year and no later than your Soph year in regards to finding showcases and college camps. You need to get your name out there. 2. As said in the previous comments, HS will not give you the exposure you would be looking for. You need to play on a competitive summer team that is going to put their teams in tournaments that scouts are going to show up and look at players. Organizations from the Kentucky that this is done on a consistent level are KY Colonels, Bluegrass, Freedom and At the Yard. This is not saying other teams from this area do not do this, but they might not be as well known for it. There obviously are organizations across the rivers that do the same as the NKY organizations.

Not going to dispute they can play, but that is not the way to guage a team. Where did they play and who in the summer? Fall ball really is a joke, and you could have a decent team and win quite a bit.

I did forget a very good hitter for Ryle and that would be the Forbes kid. I also forgot about Bellew, but haven't seen him in a few years. I would think Ryle would groom him to be a tough pitcher for them. Haven't seen the See kid pitch but have seen the Clarkson kid and really wasn't impressed. Seemed to have major control problems and I don't mean just a little bit out of the zone. He was killing the Bull one of the times I had seen him pitch. I will give you 3 out of 4 and that's because I haven't seen the See kid.

Breakout Player's - Hitting - Ryle - Bauman Conner - Hart, Maines and Fogle Boone - Ganns, Martin and the kid from the Carolina's Cooper - Collins, Dunn and Blank - Pitching - Ryle - Hoard Conner - Maines and Ross (Can they keep cool heads?) Boone - Ganns and Farer? I think that's how you spell the last name Cooper - Dunn, Collins and Smith I would have to agree with hja1224, on paper, it's going to be a toss-up. It's really going to depend on who can create the better supporting cast and/or surpass the names listed above. My thoughts would be this is tight: 1. Conner 1. Cooper 2. Ryle 3. Boone

JMO "The Hardaway", but if you think just because a team won at the JV Level and is going to make them a strong Varsity team, I will go on record and say there is NO comparison. This is literally BLACK & WHITE. I will tell you now that the pitching, speed ect. of the game isn't even close. Not to say there aren't some team that might only be at that level, but overall, NO WAY.

Boone Conner Ryle Cooper

How does the 33rd breakdown this year? What player/players should we look to have a break out season? List teams in order of their finish for 2013.

Papa Bear......If you look at any of my other post on here I have spoken about 2 of the 3 players you just listed on here. Huff is the only one I had not mentioned, but he is still up in the air after trying to recover from his injury. Don't know how he will be this year due to the fact that the Bellevue football coach wore him out running the ball. Big question mark in my mind. All the tools if he is in the proper condition.