December 21, 201114 yr So we take everything the kid says at face value? Sorry if I'm a little more skeptical than that. Sounds like St Joe's is being childish, but there's certainly another side to this story. And the NCAA heard the appeal and denied it, they've got the final say anyway (not that I usually/ever agree with the NCAA). That is the part of the story that raised an eyebrow for me. Not that the NCAA doesn't mess up. They do a lot. But there must be something we aren't seeing if the NCAA denied his appeal.
December 21, 201114 yr Author So we take everything the kid says at face value? Sorry if I'm a little more skeptical than that. Sounds like St Joe's is being childish, but there's certainly another side to this story. And the NCAA heard the appeal and denied it, they've got the final say anyway (not that I usually/ever agree with the NCAA). Read Seth Davis. Davis says there is nothing more to the story. Andy Katz also has a column about the story.
December 21, 201114 yr So we take everything the kid says at face value? Sorry if I'm a little more skeptical than that. Sounds like St Joe's is being childish, but there's certainly another side to this story. And the NCAA heard the appeal and denied it, they've got the final say anyway (not that I usually/ever agree with the NCAA). I didn't say that at all. I said how are we supposed to get the other side of the story when everyone associated with St. Joseph's refuses to comment?
December 21, 201114 yr Sounds like the heart of the matter is St Joe's wants repaid for the 3 summer courses he took in order to graduate and qualify for the loophole. If he had graduated on time last spring there wouldn't be an issue, but he kept his decision in limbo long enough to graduate and then bolted...
December 21, 201114 yr Sounds like the heart of the matter is St Joe's wants repaid for the 3 summer courses he took in order to graduate and qualify for the loophole. If he had graduated on time last spring there wouldn't be an issue, but he kept his decision in limbo long enough to graduate and then bolted... It would be taking him at his word in the article, but didn't O'Brien say they offered to do just that?
December 21, 201114 yr It would be taking him at his word in the article, but didn't O'Brien say they offered to do just that? Offering and doing are two different things obviously...
December 21, 201114 yr Offering and doing are two different things obviously... True. But I'd imagine if they thought that would get the job done, they would have done that by now.
January 6, 201214 yr Pretty good article on CNN today by Seth Davis... http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/seth_davis/01/04/todd.obrien/index.html?xid=cnnbin I still think something is funny here that we don't know.
January 6, 201214 yr I still say there is something we don't know. The kid said something somewhere that ticked Martelli off or who knows what. Regardless, I don't get Martelli's actions. He will be answering questions about this for a long time. Every kid he is recruiting will be told this story by the teams competing against him.
January 9, 201214 yr His appeal was denied. Still up to Coach Martelli. Why do you think the NCAA has denied it several times? Has Coach Martelli shared his real reason with them? Or do they just not want to get too involved?
January 9, 201214 yr Sounds like the heart of the matter is St Joe's wants repaid for the 3 summer courses he took in order to graduate and qualify for the loophole. If he had graduated on time last spring there wouldn't be an issue, but he kept his decision in limbo long enough to graduate and then bolted... Don't release him until he pays. I have no problem with it.
January 9, 201214 yr Player says he will sign a release so that ST Joe can say what the issue is without liability. http://eye-on-college-basketball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/26283066/34287458
January 9, 201214 yr Don't release him until he pays. I have no problem with it. So a student athlete takes advantage of a loophole that allows him to take summer classes to graduate and because of his scholarship get them paid for by the university. It is kind of a simplistic view to state if he pays it back then allow him to participate when you have the NCAA selling jerseys and getting royalties on video games using players images without actually using names. I am all for stating that student athletes have got one great gig by getting their education paid for and their shared experiences of playing at the highest level but it seems hypocritical to simplify this situation and think he needs to pay them back for those classes. It has to be a two way street. Athletes use the universities and the universities use the athletes. O'Brien comes across as a little bit of a flake with three schools in 5 years but he has done nothing against the rules. Each and every school accepted him including St Joes when he transferred from Bucknell.
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