Do Reds fans really think the Reds can afford to pay Votto $17M in 2012?

 

The Fielder scenario is interesting. The Brewers supopsedly shopped Fielder for the better part of a year and a half. They decided last offseason to go all in for this year and take one more shot with Fielder. My guess is they're happy they didn't move him.

Or they are stupid, obviously the Reds don't want a 1B in return. They wouldn't be thinking about this yet if it wasn't for Alonso.

I wouldn't say stupid ... the statement is entirely accurate.

I wouldn't say stupid ... the statement is entirely accurate.

 

They wouldn't trade away one of the top 1B in the game if they didn't have a backup plan already in place. They aren't going to trade him for another 1B and a good prospect.

They wouldn't trade away one of the top 1B in the game if they didn't have a backup plan already in place. They aren't going to trade him for another 1B and a good prospect.

They aren't in this situation because they have Alonso in the wings. If they didn't, however, who is to say they wouldn't look at the possibility of dealing him when his value is pretty good on the open market?

I seriously doubt the Reds pull the trigger on any moves for Votto, but I'm in favor of doing so.

Votto is much more proven than Hamilton, without the baggage.

 

And the Hamilton-Volquez deal was good for the Reds until Volquez got hurt. That's part of the risk involved in any trade, just as the Rangers had some risk on Hamilton's part.

 

Let's be honest, guys. Hamilton is a great story and all, but he's not a superstar-caliber player. The guy has spent his entire MLB career in two great hitters' parks, and his stats reflect that. Here are his numbers home and away over his career, pro-rated over an entire season:

 

Home ... .321-36-124 ... .376 OBP, .598 SLP, .974 OPS

Away ... .295-23-89 ... .355 OBP, .486 SLP, .841 OPS

 

The stats you just posted are still not bad at all. He has a .295 average still on the road, that is only 5 points away from being a .300 hitter on the road. I would say most players hit better at home than they do on the road, because they get use to the background at their park. He would be a great player to have, and definitely is better than what we got in return.

They wouldn't trade away one of the top 1B in the game if they didn't have a backup plan already in place. They aren't going to trade him for another 1B and a good prospect.

They do have a backup plan. But Yonder or not they Reds will be looking to do this becuase of financial reasons not because Yonder is ready to step right in and be an All-Star.

They do have a backup plan. But Yonder or not they Reds will be looking to do this becuase of financial reasons not because Yonder is ready to step right in and be an All-Star.

 

They most likely wouldn't be looking this early if it wasn't for Yonder is what I was saying.

Votto is much more proven than Hamilton, without the baggage.

 

And the Hamilton-Volquez deal was good for the Reds until Volquez got hurt. That's part of the risk involved in any trade, just as the Rangers had some risk on Hamilton's part.

 

Let's be honest, guys. Hamilton is a great story and all, but he's not a superstar-caliber player. The guy has spent his entire MLB career in two great hitters' parks, and his stats reflect that. Here are his numbers home and away over his career, pro-rated over an entire season:

 

Home ... .321-36-124 ... .376 OBP, .598 SLP, .974 OPS

Away ... .295-23-89 ... .355 OBP, .486 SLP, .841 OPS

 

And he is injury prone.

The stats you just posted are still not bad at all. He has a .295 average still on the road, that is only 5 points away from being a .300 hitter on the road. I would say most players hit better at home than they do on the road, because they get use to the background at their park.

Not true. Check out the guys that play in the pitchers' parks on the west coast ... San Diego, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Oakland and Seattle. Check out Adrian Gonzalez's numbers at home and away when he played for the Padres, and then compare it to what he did in Boston.

Not true. Check out the guys that play in the pitchers' parks on the west coast ... San Diego, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Oakland and Seattle. Check out Adrian Gonzalez's numbers at home and away when he played for the Padres, and then compare it to what he did in Boston.

 

Votto for his career hits .296 at home and .329 on the road for example.

 

Adrian Gonzalez for his career hits .278 at home and .307 on the road. .267 career at Petco.

The stats you just posted are still not bad at all. He has a .295 average still on the road, that is only 5 points away from being a .300 hitter on the road. I would say most players hit better at home than they do on the road, because they get use to the background at their park. He would be a great player to have, and definitely is better than what we got in return.

 

I was thinking the same thing.

Walt said there is nothing to this. But what did you expect him to say.

Bautisita and Romero for Votto and a minor leaguer.

 

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^ agreed :ylsuper: