Here is the Rolling Stone story from 15 years ago.

 

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/tupac-shakur-1971-1996-19961031

 

I have zero doubt Sug Knight was directly or indirectly responsible for his death.

I agree.

Here is the Rolling Stone story from 15 years ago.

 

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/tupac-shakur-1971-1996-19961031

 

I have zero doubt Sug Knight was directly or indirectly responsible for his death.

 

 

 

Not so sure I agree with that. Pac was Shugs cash cow at that time, his main man. Go back and read some stuff from Snoop, Dre, and other Death Row artists from around the same time, they will say the same thing. Once Suge bailed Pac out of prison and signed him under Death Row he basically stopped caring about the other artists on the label, saying all I need is 2pac, 2pac is such a genius, with him we can do anything. It was almost to the point to where the other artists got jealous almost because all the love they were getting suddenly shifted toward Pacs direction.

 

 

Not to mention Suge took a couple bullets in the shooting as well. Suge Knight's downfall was greed, and that is what caught up to him. He wanted more and more money and power and once 2pac came on board and Death Row started doing numbers they hadn't seen in a while Suge basically sold his soul. Tupac was bringing in so much money for him that theres no way I can see him wanting Pac dead around this time. Let's not forget thanks to legal issues Suge Knight went bankrupt and lost the label a short time after the passing of Pac. Don't think Suge wanted to get rid of all that money, no way he wanted Pac dead, no way.

Or so the Germans would have us believe.

I remember that time period like it was yesterday. I hate that the police haven't solved it yet. I'm sure at this point they don't care.

 

I remember thinking he wasn't dead, then thinking Biggie/Puffy/Bad Boy did it, then thinking Suge did it, then thinking the FBI did it. Now I don't know what think.

 

I'd love to know what Pac would rap about today.

To be clear, I do not believe Sug i tentionally set him up to be shot.

 

Sug changed him and that ultimately led to the shooting.

For those of us that are unfamiliar with Tupac's artistic talents, could some of you fill us in?

To be clear, I do not believe Sug i tentionally set him up to be shot.

 

Sug changed him and that ultimately led to the shooting.

 

I can buy that. Once Pac got shot, it changed him. Totally changed his personality. Deep down Tupac was an intelligent person and very much a good guy with a good heart. BUT, when that happened, it just changed the whole attitude. Suge being in the picture and putting Tupac back on, and putting him back on the brightest stage only fueled his ego and it just led to a reckless life style. Pac was a very passionate person and he was passionate in what he believed in. But ultimately his ride or die lifestyle caught up to him quick.

Or so the Germans would have us believe.

 

Germans?

Germans?

Yea, They are from Germany. :lol:

For those of us that are unfamiliar with Tupac's artistic talents, could some of you fill us in?

 

Arguably the greatest rapper of all time. Not just a rap figure though, but public figure, and at times a very controversial public figure. Starred in a couple movies, was a very talented actor. He was a very interesting person and IMO one of the most influential music artists of all time. What he rapped about was real. It wasn't like most of the stuff you hear today, he rapped about real life struggles. He had an outlook of basically a news reporter, pretty much saying he wanted to get what was happening in some of these neighborhoods and streets out to the public, like a news reporter. He compared it to Vietnam, said people wouldn't have been as against the Vietnam War had they not been able to see what was going on over there. He said most people don't see what goes on in some of these ghetto's, said most people don't know what its like to literally grow up in the streets. He was just rapping about things that were ordinary occurrences for most people who live in these areas. The lyrics were very controversial because of the things he raps about in some of his songs, but most people do not realize that he is rapping from a point of view in most of his songs. Rapping to try to paint a picture or send some kind of message. Grew up very impoverished, mom was a black panther and civil rights activist. Grew up fairly poor but was talented and while living in Baltimore was able to attend a private performing arts school. Actually attended the school with Jada Pinkett Smith (Will Smith's wife) and became and stayed very close friends with her all the way until the time of his untimely death. Mother moved to Southern California toward Tupac's later high school years, got exposed to more of the gang element/ gangster rap element. Involvement in gangster like lifestyle ultimately led to his untimely death in 1996.

 

 

Very interesting figure. IMO one of the most interesting figures in history. I would recommend to anyone, "Tupac Ressurection". It is a movie release that basically documents his entire life with all real footage of Tupac and multiple events throughout his life. Really does a great job of explaining what he really was about, and in his own words. I think if anyone gave Tupac Shakur a fair look and fair listen they would realize he really was a good person who cared about change and the betterment of the impoverished and to clean up the streets. He was just someone who really loved life and tried to live life for the right reasons for the most part. Some of his stuff had very inspirational lyrics. Sadly he got caught up in multiple events that ultimately gave him a black eye in the public and saw him to most casual viewers as a villain or menace. He got shot while in New York city in around 1994/1995 and that ultimately changed his lifestyle and mentality for good. There's also a lot of interesting conspiracies and ideas about his death as there are many off coincidences left by even Tupac himself. Some people even think he is still alive, living in Cuba. He had an aunt who was a civil rights activist who was sought for prison time and she fled to Cuba, people speculate he did the same. Again, very fascinating person IMO.

Germans?

 

An old Norm MacDonald line from his Weekend Update days. Obscure, I know, but it made me laugh!

Not a big rap fan (outside of a few artists), but I looooooooooove Tupac. As much as he accomplished, and if he were alive he'd only be 40 today with a lot of life left to live.

I remember that time period like it was yesterday. I hate that the police haven't solved it yet. I'm sure at this point they don't care.

 

I remember thinking he wasn't dead, then thinking Biggie/Puffy/Bad Boy did it, then thinking Suge did it, then thinking the FBI did it. Now I don't know what think.

 

I'd love to know what Pac would rap about today.

 

Probably not this though, well atleast not the bolded part:

 

[Verse 2]

I see no changes all I see is racist faces

misplaced hate makes disgrace to races

We under I wonder what it takes to make this

one better place, let's erase the wasted

Take the evil out the people they'll be acting right

'cause mo' black and white is smokin' crack tonight

and only time we chill is when we kill each other

it takes skill to be real, time to heal each other

And although it seems heaven sent

We ain't ready, to see a black President, uhh

It ain't a secret don't conceal the fact

the penitentiary's packed, and it's filled with blacks

But some things will never change

try to show another way but you stayin' in the dope game

Now tell me what's a mother to do

bein' real don't appeal to the brother in you

You gotta operate the easy way

"I made a G today" But you made it in a sleazy way

sellin' crack to the kid. " I gotta get paid,"

Well hey, well that's the way it is

Probably not this though, well atleast not the bolded part:

 

[Verse 2]

I see no changes all I see is racist faces

misplaced hate makes disgrace to races

We under I wonder what it takes to make this

one better place, let's erase the wasted

Take the evil out the people they'll be acting right

'cause mo' black and white is smokin' crack tonight

and only time we chill is when we kill each other

it takes skill to be real, time to heal each other

And although it seems heaven sent

We ain't ready, to see a black President, uhh

It ain't a secret don't conceal the fact

the penitentiary's packed, and it's filled with blacks

But some things will never change

try to show another way but you stayin' in the dope game

Now tell me what's a mother to do

bein' real don't appeal to the brother in you

You gotta operate the easy way

"I made a G today" But you made it in a sleazy way

sellin' crack to the kid. " I gotta get paid,"

Well hey, well that's the way it is

I would have to disagree. Pretty sure that Shakur would definitely be rapping about the political landscape of today if he were still around.

 

Now literally, he probably wouldn't say "we ain't ready to see a black President".