Agreed on both. That is a perception amongst a lot of blacks and Hannity and Limbaugh do not do anything to help sway the black vote. Most blacks will believe that all Republicans believe Hannity and Limbaugh.

I have said, several times in this forum in the past, that Hannity and Limbaugh give conservatism a bad name. So we can agree on them.

I have said, several times in this forum in the past, that Hannity and Limbaugh give conservatism a bad name. So we can agree on them.

 

Cool. Agreed.

All of the "Jim Crow" laws long after the war that prevented blacks from voting and kept them down were enacted by Democratic governors and Democratic legislatures. The Ku Klux Klan weren't predominantly Republican and any black (or white) who threatened the party's domination was liable to be beaten or lynched.

When Franklin D. Roosevelt had his first opportunity to name a member of the Supreme Court, he appointed a life member of the Ku Klux Klan, Sen. Hugo Black, Democrat of Alabama. In 1944, FDR chose as his vice president Harry Truman, who had joined the Ku Klux Klan in Kansas City in 1922. Throughout his presidency, Roosevelt resisted Republican efforts to pass a federal law against lynching, and he opposed integration of the armed forces. Another Ku Klux Klan member, Sen. Robert C. Byrd, Democrat of West Virginia, personally filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1964 for 14 straight hours to keep it from passage.

 

You raise very valid points RTS but omit some others.

 

It was a Democrat, Harry S. Truman, that de-segregated the military.

 

It was a Democrat, Strom Thurmond, that led the Segregation fight in the Senate but changed allegiances to the GOP in the 60's when the Democrats began to shift policy and take up Civil Rights Support.

 

It was a Democrat, LBJ, that pushed the Civil Rights Act through with help of people on both sides of the party aisles and through his own power in the Congress.

 

The issues I fear are deeper than party affiliations. :thumb:

I have said, several times in this forum in the past, that Hannity and Limbaugh give conservatism a bad name. So we can agree on them.

The problem is that many Republicans/conservatives don't feel that way ... the size of their audience shows that.

 

Plus, how many times has a politician questioned Limbaugh, only to back down when Limbaugh starts on the attack? I can remember at least a couple of occasions.

The problem is that many Republicans/conservatives don't feel that way ... the size of their audience shows that.

 

Plus, how many times has a politician questioned Limbaugh, only to back down when Limbaugh starts on the attack? I can remember at least a couple of occasions.

I see the same sort of things on the left side of the aisle as well.

 

I guess on the Limbaugh attacks, I'd need some specifics.

Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are really enemies of the people they claim they represent, IMO. We'll disagree on Katrina and that's been debated enough already. I think affirmative action has more cons than pros, but that's for another thread. I will agree with you that the Democrats have done a better job of appealing to the black voter than the Republicans.

 

I certainly think we should have a nuanced debate on these things. I just think there's more to the story of black voters and the Republican party.

You raise very valid points RTS but omit some others.

 

It was a Democrat, Harry S. Truman, that de-segregated the military.

 

It was a Democrat, Strom Thurmond, that led the Segregation fight in the Senate but changed allegiances to the GOP in the 60's when the Democrats began to shift policy and take up Civil Rights Support.

 

It was a Democrat, LBJ, that pushed the Civil Rights Act through with help of people on both sides of the party aisles and through his own power in the Congress.

 

The issues I fear are deeper than party affiliations. :thumb:

All true and I agree the issues are deeper than affiliations.

Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are really enemies of the people they claim they represent, IMO. We'll disagree on Katrina and that's been debated enough already. I think affirmative action has more cons than pros, but that's for another thread. I will agree with you that the Democrats have done a better job of appealing to the black voter than the Republicans.

 

Absolutely, since a larger percentage of blacks identify themselves as conservative rather than liberal. As I said, perception is reality.

Are there a lot of African American children being raised today in one parent families? If so, is it primarily the mothers raising the children? If so, do people think the lack of a proper father figure in a child's uprearing causes some problems? Is there a problem in the African American community with dead beat Dads abandoning their kids and spouses?

Are there a lot of African American children being raised today in one parent families? If so, is it primarily the mothers raising the children? If so, do people think the lack of a proper father figure in a child's uprearing causes some problems? Is there a problem in the African American community with dead beat Dads abandoning their kids and spouses?

 

According to this, 67% of African American children in our country were being raised in single parent homes as of 2009.

According to this, 67% of African American children in our country were being raised in single parent homes as of 2009.

 

Thanks. Assuming that information to be accurate, any one care to venture answers to my other questions?

Are there a lot of African American children being raised today in one parent families? If so, is it primarily the mothers raising the children? If so, do people think the lack of a proper father figure in a child's uprearing causes some problems? Is there a problem in the African American community with dead beat Dads abandoning their kids and spouses?

 

Yes, there are a lot of black kids being raised in one parent families.

 

Yes, it is primarily mothers who are raising these kids in single parent homes.

 

Yes, the lack of a proper male figure of authority can cause lots of problems.

 

Yes, there is a problem in the black community with fathers not being there for their kids. Has been for quite some time now.

Thanks. Assuming that information to be accurate, any one care to venture answers to my other questions?

 

I would assume the answer would be a yes to all three...

Yes, there are a lot of black kids being raised in one parent families.

 

Yes, it is primarily mothers who are raising these kids in single parent homes.

 

Yes, the lack of a proper male figure of authority can cause lots of problems.

 

Yes, there is a problem in the black community with fathers not being there for their kids. Has been for quite some time now.

 

Thx PP92. Assuming such then to be the case, while I like others care about things our politicians say (especially by someone wanting to be President), is the real issue the fact Bachmann may have/did mis-speak or is it the issue that she was addressing: there are today way too many African American kids being raised in single parent families; the lack of a proper male figure of authority can cause problems; and that the issue needs to be addressed?

Thx PP92. Assuming such then to be the case, while I like others care about things our politicians say (especially by someone wanting to be President), is the real issue the fact Bachmann may have/did mis-speak or is it the issue that she was addressing: there are today way too many African American kids being raised in single parent families; the lack of a proper male figure of authority can cause problems; and that the issue needs to be addressed?

 

Not for me. My issue is with a politician who believes that black kids were better off being born as slaves than being born today. Single parent home or not there can't be a belief more ignorant than that. She'd earn a lot more respect from me and maybe even a vote if she makes it a platform to tackle and find a better way to solve this dilemma but by believing a kid born as a slave is better off than one of my kids is insulting, ignorant and beyond belief that someone in a public office is that out of touch with reality.

 

Honestly, it'd be nice to see Obama tackle this issue as he can speak about it first hand. It's gone on way too long and there are many many factors surrounding it and the chain needs to be broken. Sadly. it's going to be a while before it will be broken.