Well I don't believe there is a "racist" party today, though I do agree that's often how it's framed by the more vitriolic. But, I think the stigma of a racial tone deafness that the Republican party carries isn't because of the civil rights era (though I think that's where it began), but because Republicans often find themselves signing things like this pledge and its ham-fisted language about slavery and the first black president, or Rush Limbaugh and his ilk's excoriations that white people are oppressed, among other things. In short, I don't think Republicans have done much to win over the near ~90% of black voters who cast ballots for the other team, and I don't think it's because black people are being unfair to them. And that isn't to say that Democrats have been as pure as the wind-drive snow either.

Is Rush Limbaugh a representative of the Republican Party or just an idiot talk show host? I vote the latter.

You think there aren't plenty of Democrats that are anti-Obama just because he's black?

90% of black voters cast ballots for the Dems because Johnson pushed through the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964 and his eventual Republican opponent, Sen. Barry Goldwater, opposed it. As nWo pointed out, Republican Senator Everett Dirksen who was the key to getting it passed. Johnson got 94 percent of the black vote that year, understandable. The following year Johnson signed the 1965 Voting Rights Act. No Republican presidential candidate has gotten more than 15 percent of the black vote since. Since then, it's been perceived that the Democrats are the champions of the black voter.

No one is ignoring history. I am simply pointing out a CURRENT presidential hopeful's pledge that states that black kids were better off as slaves than they are currently. Which is idiotic. Fine...Democrats invented racism and slavery. Care to address Bachmann's and apparently Santorum's idiotic beliefs now? If Obama said something similar about white kids you'd be comparing him to Louis Farrakhan so thank you for the history lesson. I had forgotten that 95% of white people in the 1800's were racist and that included some Democrats as well.

Have I not made it clear to you that I'm not a Bachmann fan nor do I believe she'll win the nomination? I couldn't care less about Santorum and nothing would surprise me from him or Bachmann.

Is Rush Limbaugh a representative of the Republican Party or just an idiot talk show host? I vote the latter.

You think there aren't plenty of Democrats that are anti-Obama just because he's black?

90% of black voters cast ballots for the Dems because Johnson pushed through the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964 and his eventual Republican opponent, Sen. Barry Goldwater, opposed it. As nWo pointed out, Republican Senator Everett Dirksen who was the key to getting it passed. Johnson got 94 percent of the black vote that year, understandable. The following year Johnson signed the 1965 Voting Rights Act. No Republican presidential candidate has gotten more than 15 percent of the black vote since. Since then, it's been perceived that the Democrats are the champions of the black voter.

 

Unfortunately, while not a representative of the Republicans, Limbaugh is one of the faces of the party since they have not done enough to move away from him. Perception is reality.

Awesome.

Yeah, no big deal. :lol:

Unfortunately, while not a representative of the Republicans, Limbaugh is one of the faces of the party since they have not done enough to move away from him. Perception is reality.

To be honest, IMO, he's painted as one of the faces of the Republicans only by the left and the far right. Most conservatives I know, including myself, can't stand the man.

Like it or not, it WAS the Democrats that were for slavery back then and the South were predominantly Democrats in that era. You can't just ignore history.

Why would a political stance from 150 years ago be relevant today?

Why would a political stance from 150 years ago be relevant today?

It was a lot less than 150 years ago that many of them still had that view.

Is Rush Limbaugh a representative of the Republican Party or just an idiot talk show host? I vote the latter.

You think there aren't plenty of Democrats that are anti-Obama just because he's black?

90% of black voters cast ballots for the Dems because Johnson pushed through the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964 and his eventual Republican opponent, Sen. Barry Goldwater, opposed it. As nWo pointed out, Republican Senator Everett Dirksen who was the key to getting it passed. Johnson got 94 percent of the black vote that year, understandable. The following year Johnson signed the 1965 Voting Rights Act. No Republican presidential candidate has gotten more than 15 percent of the black vote since. Since then, it's been perceived that the Democrats are the champions of the black voter.

 

 

Democrats have been great at getting the black vote. A lot of it could stem from the Civil Rights Act and the perception that it was Democrats who made it. Add in affirmative action, the belief amongst a large segment of the black community that Reagan's War on Drugs was designed to put blacks in jail, Bush and Hurricane Katrina and talking heads that appear to oppose all things black like Hannity and Limbaugh and there you have it. Blacks voting for Democrats.

Democrats have been great at getting the black vote. A lot of it could stem from the Civil Rights Act and the perception that it was Democrats who made it. Add in affirmative action, the belief amongst a large segment of the black community that Reagan's War on Drugs was designed to put blacks in jail, Bush and Hurricane Katrina and talking heads that appear to oppose all things black like Hannity and Limbaugh and there you have it. Blacks voting for Democrats.

Right.... ridiculous lies feed to the black voters by the Democrat party or supporters of them.

 

Black voters were swayed to the Dems long before Hannity and Limbaugh.

Here it is.

 

It's interesting but that's about it. Even more interesting is the paper by Dr. Blackman who I've actually had the pleasure to meet but had no idea she was this well known.

 

Certainly not my cup of tea (no pun intended) and neither Bachmann or Santorum are remotely in the running to get my vote. I can see where some see the value in the pledge, at least in part.

Have I not made it clear to you that I'm not a Bachmann fan nor do I believe she'll win the nomination? I couldn't care less about Santorum and nothing would surprise me from him or Bachmann.

 

Not really. You appeared to be sidestepping the issue I brought forth in post #1. Glad to finally know where you stand.

Is Rush Limbaugh a representative of the Republican Party or just an idiot talk show host? I vote the latter.

You think there aren't plenty of Democrats that are anti-Obama just because he's black?

90% of black voters cast ballots for the Dems because Johnson pushed through the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964 and his eventual Republican opponent, Sen. Barry Goldwater, opposed it. As nWo pointed out, Republican Senator Everett Dirksen who was the key to getting it passed. Johnson got 94 percent of the black vote that year, understandable. The following year Johnson signed the 1965 Voting Rights Act. No Republican presidential candidate has gotten more than 15 percent of the black vote since. Since then, it's been perceived that the Democrats are the champions of the black voter.

 

I don't think someone who rakes in the viewers like Limbaugh does can be written off, but I think there are many other conservative commentators who share his mantra on race.

 

I agree that the civil rights era was what finished the move of black from the Republican side to the Democrat side, but I think it's overly simple to say that it's still the reason they vote this way today. Nixon banked his campaigns on winning white votes in the south and stoking tensions there. Carter was as fervent an advocate of minority rights and justice as a president got. Reagan launched his campaign in Philadelphia, Mississippi and his "welfare queen" style of racializing social spending certainly won him no favors from the black community. That's continued with the Willie Horton campaign ads of Bush I and Bush II's "non-existent" relationship with the NAACP and his aloof response to Katrina, for example. Not to mention the conservative commentators making Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton enemies and staunch opposition to anything that could be called affirmative action. The point is, Republicans haven't given blacks much to vote for since LBJ got the CRA and VRA through.

Right.... ridiculous lies feed to the black voters by the Democrat party or supporters of them.

 

Black voters were swayed to the Dems long before Hannity and Limbaugh.

 

 

Agreed on both. That is a perception amongst a lot of blacks and Hannity and Limbaugh do not do anything to help sway the black vote. Most blacks will believe that all Republicans believe Hannity and Limbaugh.

Yeah, no big deal. :lol:

 

Nope. My general feeling is that it was a North and South issue not a Democrat/Republican issue. I am sure there where sympathetic figures from both sides as there were hardcore racists from both sides. Taking a head count in 2011 is pointless.

I don't think someone who rakes in the viewers like Limbaugh does can be written off, but I think there are many other conservative commentators who share his mantra on race.

 

I agree that the civil rights era was what finished the move of black from the Republican side to the Democrat side, but I think it's overly simple to say that it's still the reason they vote this way today. Nixon banked his campaigns on winning white votes in the south and stoking tensions there. Carter was as fervent an advocate of minority rights and justice as a president got. Reagan launched his campaign in Philadelphia, Mississippi and his "welfare queen" style of racializing social spending certainly won him no favors from the black community. That's continued with the Willie Horton campaign ads of Bush I and Bush II's "non-existent" relationship with the NAACP and his aloof response to Katrina, for example. Not to mention the conservative commentators making Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton enemies and staunch opposition to anything that could be called affirmative action. The point is, Republicans haven't given blacks much to vote for since LBJ got the CRA and VRA through.

Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are really enemies of the people they claim they represent, IMO. We'll disagree on Katrina and that's been debated enough already. I think affirmative action has more cons than pros, but that's for another thread. I will agree with you that the Democrats have done a better job of appealing to the black voter than the Republicans.