And look at the financial nightmare he's given us. You're right, it's about choices and a bad one in this case.

 

That's hindsight. Anyone who says they knew he would be the worst president ever can buy my lottery tickets from now on.

Sorry, I should have been more clear by quoting this from LN:

 

 

 

It is exactly that, an attempt to compare the number of single parents then vs now.

 

And you are missing the part where the numbers aren't coming from a time during slavery so the whole statement that more black kids had dual parent homes than in the present day is a false statement from the jump.

If a poster hasn't read the pledge (there is a link in the article), I suggest they do so before posting.

 

Sorry PP92, but there is nothing in the article that remotely comes close to saying kids born into slavery are "better off" that African American kids today. It is an historical reference attempting to compare the number of single parents today vs during slavery times attempting to make a point that you've agreed to yourself: there are way too many single parent African American families today and that such can cause problems for the children.

 

Except for the fact that they believe that there were dual parent homes during slavery and implying that things were better then. Perspective. Everyone's is different. Ours is here.

I don't care who the VP candidates were (although I sincerely hope Obama survives his term because the thought of President Biden is terrifying). I'm older then you are by several years and it is my considered opinion that Obama is the worst man to occupy the White House in my lifetime. I think that the American people made a HUGE mistake electing an inexperienced man that was all glitter and no substance.

 

We can agree to disagree. I think G.W. Bush is the worst president in my lifetime. Last I checked the economy tanked on his 8 year watch after we invaded the wrong country and we have yet to recover.

You obviously don't remember Jimmy Carter (Who I'm kind of ashamed to say I voted for while I was still a dirty footed hippy liberal). Luckily I grew up.

 

Last I checked the economy was still in the toilet (getting worse in fact) and all Obama can tell us is to ignore his spending and tax the evil rich and there are people that are stupid enough to believe he knows what he's talking about. We have increased cost for health care to look forward to, EPA mandated increased costs of electricity and sewers. Lucky us.

I truly think Bachmann is gaining traction. The more I hear her speak, the more I like her. I will admit that I will probably vote for any Republican thrown up against Obama. IMO he has been the second worst President ever-trailing only Jimmy Carter, but Obama is gaining ground.

 

The folks on here that are Libs will vote for Obama, or any Democrat, and the Conservatives will vote for the Republican candidate-so, as usual, it is the middle ground folks that will make the difference.

 

This election will be about the economy and the miserable failures of the current administration. Obama will be a one term President, and go on to make multi millions on book tours.

You obviously don't remember Jimmy Carter (Who I'm kind of ashamed to say I voted for while I was still a dirty footed hippy liberal). Luckily I grew up.

 

Last I checked the economy was still in the toilet (getting worse in fact) and all Obama can tell us is to ignore his spending and tax the evil rich and there are people that are stupid enough to believe he knows what he's talking about. We have increased cost for health care to look forward to, EPA mandated increased costs of electricity and sewers. Lucky us.

 

I was 3-7 when Carter was president. Don't recall much about his effectiveness.

 

 

Funny, I could have sworn I heard Obama calling for both parties to come together without agendas to get work done towards the economy. Must have been the liberal media making that up.

Guess it's just perspective then. I read the headline, then the article and I thought the article effectively proved that there is not only no way to know if there were more two parent homes during slavery because the studies don't begin until 1880 and that those studies were not reliable.

 

And I'd have zero problem with any of your posts that addressed the fact that the pledge may be factually incorrect. But calling Bachmann an idiot and stating that the pledge/Bachmann felt or implied that African American children were better off during slavery times than they are now is way off base and provides me some insight into your way of thinking. Like everyone else on here, I develop opinions of people based on their posts. Some posters have developed a lot of credibility with me. They don't have axes to grind and they aren't so driven by political, racial, sexual or religious agendas or biases. They can actually see the truth. Others, not so much.

I truly think Bachmann is gaining traction. The more I hear her speak, the more I like her. I will admit that I will probably vote for any Republican thrown up against Obama. IMO he has been the second worst President ever-trailing only Jimmy Carter, but Obama is gaining ground.

 

The folks on here that are Libs will vote for Obama, or any Democrat, and the Conservatives will vote for the Republican candidate-so, as usual, it is the middle ground folks that will make the difference.

 

This election will be about the economy and the miserable failures of the current administration. Obama will be a one term President, and go on to make multi millions on book tours.

 

Well stated and I agree. The candidate that wins the 2012 election will not be the candidate that caters to the liberal agenda on the left or the conservative agenda on the right. It will be the candidate that effectively communicates a plan to solve unemployment and the economy.

If Michelle Obama can tackle childhood obesity why can't single parent homes in the black community be tackled?

 

Has the First Lady effectively tackled obesity? Did Laura Bush effectively tackled childhood illiteracy? Has the Federal Govt effectively tackled drug use in this country? I'd say no to all of those questions. I don't think the Federal govt can effectively tackle many (any?) social problems. People, not programs, solve social problems.

 

The African American community must tackle the single parent problem. Successful and visible African American leaders (including President and First Lady Obama in their roles as African Americans, not the Federal Govt) must loudly and continually attack the problem. There needs to be way more Bill Cosbys.

 

This is sort of a pet peeve of mine PP92. I volunteered and serve on several boards of civic organizations including the Cincinnati Metro Y Board as well as the Cincinnati Boys and Girls Club Board. We worked very, very hard to improve the lives of inner city kids and focused a lot of our effort on African American children and the single parent problem. What greatly disappointed me was the lack of involvement by the successful African American businessmen/women, pro athletes and religious leaders. There were a few involved; but very few. It was like pulling teeth to get African American pro athletes involved, and most of the time all we got was a golf outing out of them. They were "too busy". Excuse me, I was kind of busy myself, but I still found time to be much more involved than they were in addressing and attacking a problem in the African American community. If the problem wasn't important enough for them, why was I spending time away from my law practice, my family, my farm and my recreational activities to try and address the problem? Fact of the matter is that a lot of them didn't want to give up the time they could be making more money or enjoying the money that they had made.

 

 

Unless and until the African American leaders decide to unite and attack the problem, no Federal Govt program is going to solve a dang thing. If the President and the First Lady can use the bully pulpit of the Presidency to unite African American leaders and focus them, I'm all for it. But creating some new Federal program and funding it with tax dollars to attack the problem will be a waste of time and money.

I was 3-7 when Carter was president. Don't recall much about his effectiveness.

 

 

Funny, I could have sworn I heard Obama calling for both parties to come together without agendas to get work done towards the economy. Must have been the liberal media making that up.

 

Saying it and doing it are two very, very different things. Even if President Obama is really trying to get both parties to work together, if he doesn't have the political skills and abilities to make it happen, do we have the right person in the Oval Office?

 

I continue to believe that historians will someday write that President Obama made a great tactical blunder in pushing Obamacare through early in his first term. He ran roughshod over Republican opposition; lost his ability to pull both sides together on other issues; and caused Tea Party extremists to get elected (thus making it even harder to get consensus on issues like deficit reduction). Even if one believes that Obamacare was the right thing to do (and for the record, I don't), it has created an environment that has greatly undermined his ability to get cooperation from the other side of the aisle, and thus was a mistake. Classic case of winning the battle but losing the war.

And I'd have zero problem with any of your posts that addressed the fact that the pledge may be factually incorrect. But calling Bachmann an idiot and stating that the pledge/Bachmann felt or implied that African American children were better off during slavery times than they are now is way off base and provides me some insight into your way of thinking. Like everyone else on here, I develop opinions of people based on their posts. Some posters have developed a lot of credibility with me. They don't have axes to grind and they aren't so driven by political, racial, sexual or religious agendas or biases. They can actually see the truth. Others, not so much.

 

 

This is an ironic post. You will never have insight to my line of thinking. My wife, friends and family don't have insight to my thought process. Are you even certain my thoughts from post 1 are the same at post 68?

 

 

You and I are a lot alike. You just spin and deflect better(you are a lawyer, correct) than I do but I am younger than you and will continue to improve.

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Saying it and doing it are two very, very different things. Even if President Obama is really trying to get both parties to work together, if he doesn't have the political skills and abilities to make it happen, do we have the right person in the Oval Office?

 

I continue to believe that historians will someday write that President Obama made a great tactical blunder in pushing Obamacare through early in his first term. He ran roughshod over Republican opposition; lost his ability to pull both sides together on other issues; and caused Tea Party extremists to get elected (thus making it even harder to get consensus on issues like deficit reduction). Even if one believes that Obamacare was the right thing to do (and for the record, I don't), it has created an environment that has greatly undermined his ability to get cooperation from the other side of the aisle, and thus was a mistake. Classic case of winning the battle but losing the war.

 

I am very much afraid that this person does not exist in today's political climate.

Has the First Lady effectively tackled obesity? Did Laura Bush effectively tackled childhood illiteracy? Has the Federal Govt effectively tackled drug use in this country? I'd say no to all of those questions. I don't think the Federal govt can effectively tackle many (any?) social problems. People, not programs, solve social problems.

 

The African American community must tackle the single parent problem. Successful and visible African American leaders (including President and First Lady Obama in their roles as African Americans, not the Federal Govt) must loudly and continually attack the problem. There needs to be way more Bill Cosbys.

 

This is sort of a pet peeve of mine PP92. I volunteered and serve on several boards of civic organizations including the Cincinnati Metro Y Board as well as the Cincinnati Boys and Girls Club Board. We worked very, very hard to improve the lives of inner city kids and focused a lot of our effort on African American children and the single parent problem. What greatly disappointed me was the lack of involvement by the successful African American businessmen/women, pro athletes and religious leaders. There were a few involved; but very few. It was like pulling teeth to get African American pro athletes involved, and most of the time all we got was a golf outing out of them. They were "too busy". Excuse me, I was kind of busy myself, but I still found time to be much more involved than they were in addressing and attacking a problem in the African American community. If the problem wasn't important enough for them, why was I spending time away from my law practice, my family, my farm and my recreational activities to try and address the problem? Fact of the matter is that a lot of them didn't want to give up the time they could be making more money or enjoying the money that they had made.

 

 

Unless and until the African American leaders decide to unite and attack the problem, no Federal Govt program is going to solve a dang thing. If the President and the First Lady can use the bully pulpit of the Presidency to unite African American leaders and focus them, I'm all for it. But creating some new Federal program and funding it with tax dollars to attack the problem will be a waste of time and money.

 

 

It was just a thought. When I began this thread I hadn't given any thought to solving the problem of single parent homes in the black community. I was just throwing it out there that maybe instead of childhood obesity Barack & Michelle Obama could tackle that issue. The Obamas will go down as sympathetic heroes in the black community. For my generation there will never be a more powerful black man. He wouldn't even have to spend a lot of money. He is the one black man who isn't a rapper who has the ability and respect from a large enough percentage of black men to make them reevaluate themselves.

I am very much afraid that this person does not exist in today's political climate.

 

I agree. Both sides seem to act like babies when they don't get their way.