But, by that same token, why take it out? You are making more of a "deal" out of it, by removing it (IMO) than if you'd left it alone.

 

I don't think so. I'm kind of taken aback at how upset people seem to be about it. I think there are others like me, and NBC editors are likely some of them. I have no idea why it was removed, and I don't feel any "right" to know. It just....was.

Maybe they wanted to return the pledge to the original form that did not include that phrase? :idunno:

 

The original from 1892: I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

 

Or the one adopted in 1942: I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

 

:thumb:

The amendments to the Constitution weren’t part of the original document either. Does that make them invalid?

I don't think so. I'm kind of taken aback at how upset people seem to be about it. I think there are others like me, and NBC editors are likely some of them. I have no idea why it was removed, and I don't feel any "right" to know. It just....was.

 

It just....was? Are you kidding me? Wow, sounds like you would be fine with NBC also changing the Star Spangled Banner to whatever version they want to as well, right?

It just....was? Are you kidding me? Wow, sounds like you would be fine with NBC also changing the Star Spangled Banner to whatever version they want to as well, right?

 

Have they done that? I missed that. I don't think I'd be too awfully upset. Artists render their own performance of it every day. It doesn't strike me as anything derogatory if I don't happen to like their particular version...some have completely butchered the melody, others have forgotten the words. It just is what it is. It doesn't make it any less patriotic.

How does the phrase "under God" enhance the Pledge?

Dwight D. Eisenhower ~ From this day forward, the millions of our school children will daily proclaim in every city and town, every village and rural school house, the dedication of our nation and our people to the Almighty. To anyone who truly loves America, nothing could be more inspiring than to contemplate this rededication of our youth, on each school morning, to our country's true meaning.

 

Especially is this meaningful as we regard today's world. Over the globe, mankind has been cruelly torn by violence and brutality and, by the millions, deadened in mind and soul by a materialistic philosophy of life. Man everywhere is appalled by the prospect of atomic war. In this somber setting, this law and its effects today have profound meaning. In this way we are reaffirming the transcendence of religious faith in America's heritage and future; in this way we shall constantly strengthen those spiritual weapons which forever will be our country's most powerful resource, in peace or in war."

I had no idea. Found it interesting, my apologies dear sir.

 

Point taken. Sorry, didn't mean to sound so abrupt as it has been discussed on here in the past but it would have been before you came on.

I am not sure why to many distrust NBC's explanation. What would they gain by purposely taking out part of the pledge that includes "under God," knowing that there would be a backlash about it, then apologize that it was an accident?

 

Speaking of the part omitted, why are some many upset by removing "under God" by don't say a word about "indivisible" also being omitted?

This nation was founded under God, God has watched over our nation for many years, "God doesn't change, man does." As a Christian nation we set examples to our children whether they are ours or not, these kids need to hear it said the way The president in 1954 intended it to be said, if we don't stand up its just one more "GOD" thing that we have lost.

This nation was founded under God, God has watched over our nation for many years, "God doesn't change, man does." As a Christian nation we set examples to our children whether they are ours or not, these kids need to hear it said the way The president in 1954 intended it to be said, if we don't stand up its just one more "GOD" thing that we have lost.

 

I'm not sure all of that statement jives Larry.

 

You say we were "founded under God" but that's not clearly stated by the Founding Fathers. If it was why didn't they say it that way?

 

The pledge was written nearly 130 years after our birth so to say it "reflects the Founding Fathers" is a stretch. When it was written the Baptist Minister who authored it never mentioned "under God." It was not added until 1954, some 60 years or so after it was written. If it was that important before why was it not there?

 

As to Eisenhower "intending it to be said" that is the same Eisenhower who drug his feet on enforcing de-segregation or on standing up to McCarthy right? Not sure I care whether Ike thought it should be there or not. Mainly because Ike was not a "Founding Father."

 

In response to Run to State: I'm not sure that your comparison of Amendments to the Constitution (Law of the land) and the Pledge (Creedal statement) are what you call "apples to apples."

I am not sure why to many distrust NBC's explanation. What would they gain by purposely taking out part of the pledge that includes "under God," knowing that there would be a backlash about it, then apologize that it was an accident?

 

Speaking of the part omitted, why are some many upset by removing "under God" by don't say a word about "indivisible" also being omitted?

 

1) Do you think it was mere coincidence? These things are gone over way too closely for it to be an accident.

 

2) Because religion, like politics, stirs passions.

Shockingly, I find myself agreeing with RM on this one. I just can't bring myself to care that it was removed.

 

Now I'm going to go make a doctor's appointment; I must be getting sick.

1) Do you think it was mere coincidence? These things are gone over way too closely for it to be an accident.2) Because religion, like politics, stirs passions.

1) I think that it was poor editing. Again, what would they gain by leaving it out?2) No one cares about our country being united?

I am not sure why to many distrust NBC's explanation. What would they gain by purposely taking out part of the pledge that includes "under God," knowing that there would be a backlash about it, then apologize that it was an accident?

 

Speaking of the part omitted, why are some many upset by removing "under God" by don't say a word about "indivisible" also being omitted?

Taking out Indivisible should have made the recalcitrant confederates among us happy !!

I'm not sure all of that statement jives Larry.

 

You say we were "founded under God" but that's not clearly stated by the Founding Fathers. If it was why didn't they say it that way?

 

The pledge was written nearly 130 years after our birth so to say it "reflects the Founding Fathers" is a stretch. When it was written the Baptist Minister who authored it never mentioned "under God." It was not added until 1954, some 60 years or so after it was written. If it was that important before why was it not there?

 

As to Eisenhower "intending it to be said" that is the same Eisenhower who drug his feet on enforcing de-segregation or on standing up to McCarthy right? Not sure I care whether Ike thought it should be there or not. Mainly because Ike was not a "Founding Father."

 

In response to Run to State: I'm not sure that your comparison of Amendments to the Constitution (Law of the land) and the Pledge (Creedal statement) are what you call "apples to apples."

Good post.

Well, they (My comments) "Jive" for me all thats what counts.

 

My comments meant (not jiving for you) was saying God discovered America, God gave our fathers this land, "One nation under who? God created the "fathers". Under God was put in 1954 before most of were born so we grew up saying and hearing it that way, so who changed it? NBC (man) which I mentioned as changing and not God. On the POUS "dragging his feet", I was only one, and and I don't remember the other stuff being important as GOD being removed for the pledge. Love the word and song "Jive talking".

 

Hatz, how do you feel about what I "Jived" about how man is again messing with a "GOD thing"? Wasn't a mistake NBC has editors I'm sure.