April 26, 201115 yr Cardinals right-hander Chris Carpenter still has scars on his back from last year’s brawl with the Reds. His former catcher, Jason LaRue, retired after suffering a concussion from Reds righty Johnny Cueto kicking him in the face. But anyone who expected Carpenter to retaliate Saturday should have heard him talk about the effect of the fight on his two children, Sam, 8, and Ava, 5. Carpenter said Ava talks about the brawl all the time, probably mentioned it five or six times during the spring, even knows Cueto’s name. As for Sam, Carpenter says, “How do you explain that to your 8-year-old son? You’re in this big, huge brawl. ‘Why is that, Daddy? Why are you fighting with everyone?’ It’s difficult to explain.” Carpenter concludes: “It’s not what baseball is, not what baseball is about.” http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/st-louis-cardinals-cincinnati-reds-notebook-042511
April 26, 201115 yr I think this speaks to a bigger picture of allowing, if not encouraging, brawling activities in baseball games. I have never understood it nor its glorified place in the game.
April 26, 201115 yr Author I think this speaks to a bigger picture of allowing, if not encouraging, brawling activities in baseball games. I have never understood it nor its glorified place in the game. Allowing and encouraging? Please. Fines, suspensions and ejections say otherwise. What would you recommend to stop it? Put electric shock tags on each player and zap them if they start a brawl? The guy has been crying about this for 9 months. Be a parent, explain it to your kids and move on. Boo freakin hoo...
April 26, 201115 yr Allowing and encouraging? Please. Fines, suspensions and ejections say otherwise. What would you recommend to stop it? Put electric shock tags on each player and zap them if they start a brawl? The guy has been crying about this for 9 months. Be a parent, explain it to your kids and move on. Boo freakin hoo... 2 separate debates here. The incident itself and explaining the incident to your kid. The latter I could care less about. Bench-clearing brawls are a glorified part of baseball, I am not sure how you can debate that -- the penalties that ensue are part of it as well. If that was such a deterrent we would not see it multiple times a season. The games are not the same, but what is the first thing you see in the NBA or NFL when a scuffle happens? Everyone is holding back the sidelines. In MLB players come running in from the bullpen and managers even get involved.
April 26, 201115 yr I took 2 years of Psychology, and what Carpenter was really saying was "As long as Scott Rolen is playing for the Reds I'm not going to start anything with them. You saw what he did to me last time, and it's really embarrassing when you come home and your young son ask you Daddy, how come Scott Rolen pushed you around like a rag doll? "
April 26, 201115 yr Author Bench-clearing brawls are a glorified part of baseball, I am not sure how you can debate that -- the penalties that ensue are part of it as well. If that was such a deterrent we would not see it multiple times a season. The games are not the same, but what is the first thing you see in the NBA or NFL when a scuffle happens? Everyone is holding back the sidelines. In MLB players come running in from the bullpen and managers even get involved. You see it what 4-5 times a season over how many thousands of games played? Usually the only "violence" is between the batter and pitcher and then everyone comes out and breaks it up. No different than a basketball fight and a million times more tame than hockey. Those kids of hockey players must be a total mess...
April 26, 201115 yr You see it what 4-5 times a season over how many thousands of games played? Usually the only "violence" is between the batter and pitcher and then everyone comes out and breaks it up. No different than a basketball fight and a million times more tame than hockey. Those kids of hockey players must be a total mess... 60 players need to be on the field to break-up a 2 person skirmish? It is a baseball tradition to clear the benches. The NFL and NBA have adopted the stance nothing good happens when bench teammates swarm the field of play. MLB has not.
April 27, 201115 yr Author 60 players need to be on the field to break-up a 2 person skirmish? It is a baseball tradition to clear the benches. The NFL and NBA have adopted the stance nothing good happens when bench teammates swarm the field of play. MLB has not. So your problem is 40 guys standing around doing nothing? Very barbaric...
April 27, 201115 yr So your problem is 40 guys standing around doing nothing? Very barbaric... What? :lol: If it were that cut and dry, you would have a point. There is a reason multiple suspensions are often levied in bench-clearing brawls. It is not because every person is running out there to hold two people back. If it is, that makes it even more stupid looking :lol: Everyone is running out to prepare for an on-field riot... obviously. To me that does nothing but raise the pulse. Granted it is a different dynamic with baseball, but I think it is something they are far behind on. The reason: it is part of the tradition of the game; thus, coming full circle here, why I say it is indirectly encouraged and acceptable. All that being said, they make for some good drama
April 27, 201115 yr Author The Reds/Cards "brawl" was a different animal because it never left home plate and didn't really escalate for a while. When it did things got pushed against the backstop creating chaos. In almost every base"brawl" the pitcher, hitter and sometimes catcher are the action and it is dead from there. But if you want to create your own reality over it, feel free... :lol:
April 27, 201115 yr The Reds/Cards "brawl" was a different animal because it never left home plate and didn't really escalate for a while. When it did things got pushed against the backstop creating chaos. In almost every base"brawl" the pitcher, hitter and sometimes catcher are the action and it is dead from there. But if you want to create your own reality over it, feel free... :lol: I will accept that as a concession speech and move on
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