6 is too many...a FIVE class system solves the problem

[CoachJ]

I'm not sure how much difference it would make, but the largest size differences are in 1A and 4A. How about putting the 32 largest schools in 5A, the 32 smallest schools in 1A and dividing the rest evenly? There would still be a big size difference from top to bottom in 1A and 5A, but I don't see how to get around that. Under the five round playoff system, 32 is the minimum number of teams per class.

 

The more I look at this, the more it makes sense to fix what I think is about the ONLY problem with HS football right now as it relates to classification.

 

BUT...dipping down to 32 still makes a huge disparity at both ends when you look at who's made it historically to the finals.

 

I say, drop it to the 16 LARGEST and the 16 SMALLEST to be 1a and 5a.

 

They could have a BYE-WEEK for their first round of the playoffs (and it's JUSTIFIED that these two classes only should get one: 1A needs the week to get some kids healed up due to smaller overall numbers...5A needs the week to get some kids healed because each school is going to be getting POUNDED

by other "big-boys" for 4 straight weeks).

 

I guess another alternative would be to give the two schools in the finals a week off before they play.

 

Anyway, here's the 1A and 5A break-downs according to the latest KHSAA enrollment numbers:

 

1A = the 16 smallest schools

* incidentally, these are schools that have never really (with the exception of Paris those years and Bellevue a couple) competed at the state championship-level with the rest of 1A...so it *historically* makes sense they should be separate then!

Pineville, Jenkins, Williamsburg, Phelps, Paintsville, Fairview, Beth Haven, Eminence, Kentucky Country Day, Ludlow, Paris, Harrodsburg, Bellevue, Fulton City, Fulton County, Caverna

 

5A = the 16 largest schools.

* incidentally, these are schools that have almost ALWAYS been the ones at the state finals (and many of those that are not NOW in this list of 16 that were in the finals in the past WERE over 1600 students when they made it -- now they're smaller due to building more schools in some districts: Boone Co. comes to mind).

N. Hardin, Scott Co., Daviess Co., Male, Henderson Co., Eastern, Henry Clay, Ballard, Seneca, Tates Creek, Manual, PRP, Lafayette, PLDunbar, Trinity, St. X

 

2A, 3A, and 4A = split the rest in thirds.

 

** I'll put the rest on a separate post so this one's not gargantuan.

[CoachJ]

"4A" -- smallest to largest:

 

South Oldham

Harrison County

East Jessamine

Calloway County

Logan County

Anderson County

Doss

Grant County

Covington Catholic

Boyd County

Valley

Central

Ashland Blazer

Bowling Green

Hopkinsville

Oldham County

Pulaski Southwestern

Clay County

Lincoln County

Pulaski County

Madisonville-North Hopkins

Jeffersontown

Perry County Central

Owensboro

Iroquois

Holmes

Atherton

Johnson Central

Montgomery County

Warren Central

Dixie Heights

Scott

Woodford County

Whitley County

John Hardin

Barren County

Fern Creek

South Laurel

Ohio County

North Laurel

Grayson County

Bullitt Central

Ryle

Graves County

Simon Kenton

Conner

Christian County

Greenwood

Boone County

Apollo

Southern

Marshall County

Madison Central

George Rogers Clark

Nelson County

Bryan Station

Shelby County

Central Hardin

Campbell County

Meade County

[CoachJ]

3A: (schools #78: enrollment 645 to #138: enrollment 925) Disparity of only 280 students.

 

Shelby Valley: 645 total students

Western

Mercer County

DeSales

Garrard Co.

Morgan Co.

O'boro Cath

Casey Co.

Hart Co.

Leslie Co.

E. Carter

Prestonsburg

Pike Co. Central

E. Ridge

Fleming Co.

Larue Co.

Lewis Co.

Russell

Muhlenburg South

N. Oldham

Knott Co. Central

E'town

Estill Co.

Powell Co.

Sheldon Clark

Russell Co.

Wayne Co.

Lone Oak

Cawood

Magoffin Co.

Union Co.

Adair Co.

Taylor Co.

Mason Co.

Paducah Tilghman

Franklin-Simpson

Madison Southern

Highlands

Lawrence Co.

Pendleton Co.

Western Hills

Rockcastle Co.

W. Jessamine

Bourbon Co.

Fairdale

Boyle Co.

Bell Co.

Warren East

Knox Central

Bullitt East

Lex Cath

McCreary Central

Allen-County Scottsville

N. Bullitt

Waggener

Rowan Co.

Breck Co.

Marion Co.

Franklin Co.

Hopkins Co. Central

Greenup Co.: 925 total students

[theguru]

I like this idea the only problem is 5A because several of the schools in 5A are the schools leading the charge to kick X, T, and LexCath out of the KHSAA.

[DoggyDawg]

I say you put the elite schools in the top 16 and let the rest join, for example Boone County and Dixie probably wouldn't mind being in this mix, Covcath and Highlands may even want to. This would leave those schools in question to compete in 4A still. Just a thought.

[MountainThunder]

I like this idea the only problem is 5A because several of the schools in 5A are the schools leading the charge to kick X, T, and LexCath out of the KHSAA.

 

I agree. I also don't like 16 team classes. That seems kind of small to me.

[Bert]

Not crazy about 16 team classes but, if it makes this Public/Private Championship split go away, count me in as a die hard supporter!!!!

[Rambo4343]

I know for a fact Owensboro Catholic only has 518 kids. Co-Ed.

[Watusi]

So I guess they would be AA under this plan. He hasn't listed the AA class yet.

[stickymitts]

So I guess they would be AA under this plan. He hasn't listed the AA class yet.

 

He has them in 3A. My guess is that he's using #'s from the last split of the classes. They would always be changing.

[CoachJ]

2A (school #139: total enrollment 640 to school #199: total enrollment 287. Disparity top to bottom of 353 total students.)

 

Dayton: total enrollment 287

Harlan

Raceland

Berea

Bethlehem

Beechwood

Cumberland

Frankfort

Nicholas Co.

Holy Cross (L'ville)

Hazard

Lynn Camp

Russellville

(Hail) Pikeville

Campbellsville

Lex Christian

Ballard Memorial

Mayfield

Crittenden Co.

South Floyd

Evarts

Metcalf Co.

Hancock Co.

Trimble Co.

Allen Central

Newport Central Catholic

Murray

Holy Cross (Covington)

McLean Co.

Danville

Carroll Co.

Somerset

Christian Acad. L'ville

Bath Co.

Fort Knox

Owen Co.

Bardstown

Green Co.

Todd Co. Central

West Carter

Glasgow

Middlesboro

Trigg Co.

Corbin

Edmonson Co.

Fort Campbell

Reidland

Monroe Co.

Lloyd Memorial

Betsy Layne

Washington Co.

Heath

Shawnee

Webster Co.

Henry Co.

Caldwell Co.

Moore

Belfry

Butler Co.

Breathitt Co.,

Newport: total enrollment 640

[stickymitts]

What if you have 641-644 students? :fire: :banana:

[CoachJ]

I know for a fact Owensboro Catholic only has 518 kids. Co-Ed.

 

KHSAA lists their most recent 2-year average coed enrollment at 659. I tried to use the same exact numbers the KHSAA would use.

 

Don't know how they come to this total...but I DON'T think it's exactly the physcial number of kids that begin the year enrolled in a school.

 

I think they take what the school HAS to report on federal forms for monies they receive per student from the Dept. of Education.

[Rambo4343]

KHSAA lists their most recent 2-year average coed enrollment at 659. I tried to use the same exact numbers the KHSAA would use.

 

Don't know how they come to this total...but I DON'T think it's exactly the physcial number of kids that begin the year enrolled in a school.

 

I think they take what the school HAS to report on federal forms for monies they receive per student from the Dept. of Education.

 

 

I'm not diagreeing with you. I know it has Catholic with 600 kids, that was true 2yrs. ago, but things and tuition has gone up. Enrollment is down. The last number I heard was 518 kids.

[CoachJ]

What if you have 641-644 students? :fire: :banana:

 

Then they would have been on the list then in one class or another -- either the BIGGEST school in 2A or the SMALLEST school in 3A.

 

I didn't use "arbitrary enrollments" as divisions. I split it by the number of schools left after parsing out the 16 1A and 5A teams.

 

So there are some natural "gaps" that occur between the largest school in one class and the smallest school in the next one up.

 

If, on the next enrollment calculation, a school has 642 students, where they would fall would depend on the NUMBER of schools in the class above and below them.