September 15, 201016 yr Are you serious? What can they do to him? He did it and the NCAA and USC had their own groups of people to look into his amateur status before his freshman year. Not really his fault, he's just doing what he needed for his family.
September 15, 201016 yr Bush should have kept this award, what he did on the field no one can take that away. Pete Rose is the hit king, but did he get that title taken away?
September 16, 201016 yr Based on some of the comments on here, it seems amateur collegiate athletics have been dead for some time, and a lot of people don 't seem to care.
September 16, 201016 yr What's his fault? His fault is that a bunch of young men who didn't cheat are paying a price for his actions.
September 16, 201016 yr I think forfeiting the trophy is a very small deal in this situation. The fact that he's not even recognized as a part of the USC program will be something that I'd take to heart if I were Bush. I'm sure one day when his career is over with he will likely want to go back to USC to watch a game, how will he be received? Will he even be embraced by the program?
September 16, 201016 yr What can they do to him? He did it and the NCAA and USC had their own groups of people to look into his amateur status before his freshman year. Not really his fault, he's just doing what he needed for his family. What can who do to him? He accepted money, gifts, etc.. while playing at USC? What are you talking about before his freshman year? It's not his fault? :lol: He broke one of the "mack daddy" rules!! Most people in this world want to do what is needed for their families but breaking rules to take care of your family doesn't make it ok.
September 16, 201016 yr Its hard for me to feel sorry for a system/school that makes boat loads of money off of young athletes without paying them. To talk that he should pay back the university is silly. Maybe USC should give him a cut of all the $$$ they made off him due to ticket sales, concessions, merchandise, tv contracts, etc. Though cwf does make a good point.
September 16, 201016 yr Its hard for me to feel sorry for a system/school that makes boat loads of money off of young athletes without paying them. To talk that he should pay back the university is silly. Maybe USC should give him a cut of all the $$$ they made off him due to ticket sales, concessions, merchandise, tv contracts, etc. Though cwf does make a good point. For playing football and making the school money he got paid in tuition, housing, food, some clothing, medical care, coaching, training, travels and yada, yada, yada.. Tuition alone at USC is over $50,000 a year. If schools started to legally pay college athletes the corruption would mutiply IMHO. What next???.....high school kids feeling they should be paid. CWF post is a great point but do you think the Reggie Bush's of the world really care??
September 16, 201016 yr For playing football and making the school money he got paid in tuition, housing, food, some clothing, medical care, coaching, training, travels and yada, yada, yada.. Tuition alone at USC is over $50,000 a year. If schools started to legally pay college athletes the corruption would mutiply IMHO. What next???.....high school kids feeling they should be paid. CWF post is a great point but do you think the Reggie Bush's of the world really care?? If it was as cut and dry as you portray I would agree with you. Tuition, housing, food, etc. do not come close to the dollar number some of these kids are worth to their schools. The benefits, and granted there are a lot of them as you mentioned, have not caught up with the times. As I said earlier this week, the NCAA just entered in to an 11 Billion Dollar agreement with CBS for the NCAA basketball tournament. There is talk of expansion of teams, more games, and more travel, (the kids get nothing more) yet we are supposed to treat these kids as student-athletes only? It is sad, I realize that, but it is just not the reality of today's college athletics.
September 16, 201016 yr If it was as cut and dry as you portray I would agree with you. Tuition, housing, food, etc. do not come close to the dollar number some of these kids are worth to their schools. The benefits, and granted there are a lot of them as you mentioned, have not caught up with the times. As I said earlier this week, the NCAA just entered in to an 11 Billion Dollar agreement with CBS for the NCAA basketball tournament. There is talk of expansion of teams, more games, and more travel, (the kids get nothing more) yet we are supposed to treat these kids as student-athletes only? It is sad, I realize that, but it is just not the reality of today's college athletics. Well stated post. NCAA, TV deals, etc can be a bunch of crap. Hey...I wish I got paid for all the money I have brought into where I work but as most of us know it just doesn't work that way. I don't have the answer to this whole deal. I do know that I believe education should come first. People can agree or disagree with me.
September 16, 201016 yr Well stated post. NCAA, TV deals, etc can be a bunch of crap. Hey...I wish I got paid for all the money I have brought into where I work but as most of us know it just doesn't work that way. I don't have the answer to this whole deal. I do know that I believe education should come first. People can agree or disagree with me. Why should it come first? The Reggie Bush's of the world will live a moderately comfortable life without a degree. I wish we could be honest and see college athletics (at least revenue sports) for what they are. A big freakin' cash cow! If the world were perfect the NFL and NBA would develop a real minor league system and the 1% of the world who are lucky enough to play pro sports can work on the skills they need---instead of being forced to sit through a pointless Geology 101 class that will never impact their lives. If you want an example of what I'm talking about just look at the MLB (I believe soccer is done like this in Europe too). Kids can opt out of college, become professionals, and actually develop the skills they need. And the kids who don't think they are ready can go hone their skills in college and develop a decent back-up plan if their dreams of the big leagues aren't realized. Instead we have a system where kids are forced (I know there are other options, but I think we can all agree that they are very poor ones) to sit through meaningless classes, put on a charade of actually being student-athletes, and let others make billions off of their talents. The reason this isn't done is because the NCAA, member schools, TV stations, etc. are getting paid BILLIONS of dollars based on what the upper echelon can do. And why would the NFL or NBA care? They get a free minor league system and don't have to spend the millions of necessary dollards to develop one. Plus they don't have to give large contracts based on talent alone and can allow the cream to rise to the top in the college level instead of costing their franchise a few million bucks.
September 17, 201016 yr I couldn't agree more formerkywrestler. The ones getting screwed are the young men (student/athletes)
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