Harang is having lower back pain. The Reds are not going to move Bronson's start, so it sounds like the logical solution would be to bring Matt Maloney up for a game.

 

John Fay wrote that Harang was moving very gingerly last night...

Right. Was this situation 2nd and 3rd? I'm just wondering why BM was so upset when they didn't get a grounder to the right side when there are MANY other ways to score.

 

Of course there are 100 ways to score the runner, but baseball players are taught from day one when you need a run and there's a runner on 3rd with less than two outs, just to put the ball in play to the right side and on the ground or put it somewhere in the outfield. We've struck out and popped up to the infield more time than I can even remember. Just yesterday we popped out to the shortstop and struck out back to back. Quite frustrating.

So a grounder to SS wouldn't?

 

Depending on where the shortstop's playing, most of the time that wouldn't work. Especially if it's an important run the SS will be playing in.

Depending on where the shortstop's playing, most of the time that wouldn't work. Especially if it's an important run the SS will be playing in.

 

Look, we can go back and forth all day long about where a defense is playing and where they could hit it. I've coached baseball, and have been coached by some pretty good coaches and I've NEVER heard anyone say hit the ball to the right side with a runner on third. Fly ball, yes. But never a grounder to the right side. Which is why I asked about your frustration. Asking for a grounder to the right side just seemed odd to me.

Look, we can go back and forth all day long about where a defense is playing and where they could hit it. I've coached baseball, and have been coached by some pretty good coaches and I've NEVER heard anyone say hit the ball to the right side with a runner on third. Fly ball, yes. But never a grounder to the right side. Which is why I asked about your frustration. Asking for a grounder to the right side just seemed odd to me.

 

I can't believe you've never heard that. That's unbelievable. It's literally just as effective, if not more effective than a routine sacrifice fly.

Quite frustrating.

 

But don't you usually just get over it when they score multiple runs with two outs?

 

And complain all you want about Stubbs...he's very young. I think he's having a great season all things considering. Not everyone on the team can bat .300 with 30 homers and 100 RBI's.

I can't believe you've never heard that. That's unbelievable. It's literally just as effective, if not more effective than a routine sacrifice fly.

 

Honestly, I can't believe anyone would coach that as a definitive strategy.

 

Again, it depends on the defense. If the right side is in on a right handed batter (and vice-versa), it's not effective at all. A sac fly is more effective because it doesn't matter where the defense is.

Honestly, I can't believe anyone would coach that as a definitive strategy.

 

Again, it depends on the defense. If the right side is in on a right handed batter (and vice-versa), it's not effective at all. A sac fly is more effective because it doesn't matter where the defense is.

 

:lol: You're unbelievable. Have you ever seen a runner get thrown out by a 2nd basemen when he's running immediately after the ball is hit on the ground to the right side? 2nd basemen won't even attempt to throw a runner out at home when they'll take the out at first. Sac flies end it double plays all the time. It's a rarity to see a runner on 3rd get thrown out on a ground ball to the 2nd basemen. It just doesn't happen often. If you don't think this strategy works, you don't know as much about baseball as you think.

But don't you usually just get over it when they score multiple runs with two outs?

 

And complain all you want about Stubbs...he's very young. I think he's having a great season all things considering. Not everyone on the team can bat .300 with 30 homers and 100 RBI's.

 

Let me say this before I keep getting blasted for ripping on Stubbs last week. I LIKE STUBBS AND I BELIEVE HE SHOULD BE OUR CENTER FIELDER. I was just pointing out how he couldn't make contact with the ball and needed time off. Then I commented when he bobbled a ball in centerfield...I guess I'm not allowed to do that.

:lol: You're unbelievable. Have you ever seen a runner get thrown out by a 2nd basemen when he's running immediately after the ball is hit on the ground to the right side? 2nd basemen won't even attempt to throw a runner out at home when they'll take the out at first. Sac flies end it double plays all the time. It's a rarity to see a runner on 3rd get thrown out on a ground ball to the 2nd basemen. It just doesn't happen often.

 

Again, it depends on where they are playing. Many times the backside of the infield plays in, which will allow them to throw out the runner. I've seen a runner get thrown out from all bases.

 

My initial point, if the infield is playing back far enough to allow a runner to score from 3rd then a ball to SS would work as well. So, you're tantrum wasn't really necessary.

Again, it depends on where they are playing. Many times the backside of the infield plays in, which will allow them to throw out the runner. I've seen a runner get thrown out from all bases.

 

My initial point, if the infield is playing back far enough to allow a runner to score from 3rd then a ball to SS would work as well. So, you're tantrum wasn't really necessary.

 

That classifies as a tantrum? I'm done arguing with you. You're points are completely hypothetical. That strategy has proven to be successful at every single level of baseball, regardless of what you think.

Let me say this before I keep getting blasted for ripping on Stubbs last week. I LIKE STUBBS AND I BELIEVE HE SHOULD BE OUR CENTER FIELDER. I was just pointing out how he couldn't make contact with the ball and needed time off. Then I commented when he bobbled a ball in centerfield...I guess I'm not allowed to do that.

 

You're allowed to do all you want. Just gets old...fast.

You're allowed to do all you want. Just gets old...fast.

 

3 posts...I have a short leash.

That classifies as a tantrum? I'm done arguing with you. You're points are completely hypothetical. That strategy has proven to be successful at every single level of baseball, regardless of what you think.

 

Baseball is hypothetical. Very few situations are the exact same. A groundball to the right side never guarantees a run, whether you think it does or not. Now, a groundball up the middle pass the pitcher, I'd agree. Not a good strategy to hit the ball to the right side with the 1st baseman in, hypothetically speaking.

3 posts...I have a short leash.

 

It's not just you, but its like every time Stubbs makes a mistake people have to rip on him for it. Give the kid a break, he's young and mistakes are going to happen.

 

You don't have any leash, and if I was making this up, I wouldn't be the only person who has mentioned it.

 

God forbid this team actually be playing like the Cubs right now. I'm not sure what some of ya'll would do. It would be different if we had one of the top payrolls in the league and were expected to be the divisional champs year in and year out.