This is really poor math on your part - the K-8 number represents kids in 9 grades - high school represents kids in 4 grades. At the elementary/middle school level there are 1300+ kids per grade. There are 1500 kids per grade at the high school. Where did those 200+ kids per grade come from, that is not attrition, that is addition.

 

In a 4 year average at the elementary/middle level there are 5200 kids. In high school there are 6000 kids. That is an average increase in 800 kids at the high school that are not at the elementary and middle schools. Where did those kids come from? Again, this is not attrition it is addition.

 

 

But the fact of the matter is that you can't average that way. There are only two schools with enrollments over 1300 in the city...Trinity & St. X. Most of the schools have 300 or less. Assumption has 975, and Sacred Heart a little over 800, I think. I can tell you from experience, that the number of students in the incoming freshman class is ALWAYS larger than the graduating number of the same class.

 

 

The point is that no matter how you slice it, every year, students replace at the incoming levels of either K-8 or 9-12. I may not have presented the "word problem" well, but the fact of the matter is that approximately half of the kids entering Catholic grade school do NOT continue until they graduate high school.

But the fact of the matter is that you can't average that way. There are only two schools with enrollments over 1300 in the city...Trinity & St. X. Most of the schools have 300 or less. Assumption has 975, and Sacred Heart a little over 800, I think. I can tell you from experience, that the number of students in the incoming freshman class is ALWAYS larger than the graduating number of the same class.

 

 

The point is that no matter how you slice it, every year, students replace at the incoming levels of either K-8 or 9-12. I may not have presented the "word problem" well, but the fact of the matter is that approximately half of the kids entering Catholic grade school do NOT continue until they graduate high school.

Momma- He's right.

 

 

There are a total of 11,722 kids in K-8 Catholic education. That's 1,300 per grade.

 

There are a total of 6042 kids in 9-12 Catholic education. That's 1,510 (and a half) per grade.

Providence could not hold water to X and Trinity as schools, plus it is Co-Ed, that is a big reason for many to attend across the river.

That's fine, but that means it's not solely for the "Catholic education."

02Ram, and buzzy....you're correct...my logic is definitely flawed.

 

I will say,

 

1) I included ONLY Jefferson County Catholic Grade Schools

2) I did NOT include the numbers for the two new academies that were opened this year as a result of mergers of several schools that closed this year, as they were not available

3) I did NOT include the kids from other schools in bordering counties

 

 

I don't think I'm that far off, in the overall scheme of things.

02Ram, and buzzy....you're correct...my logic is definitely flawed.

 

I will say,

 

1) I included ONLY Jefferson County Catholic Grade Schools

2) I did NOT include the numbers for the two new academies that were opened this year as a result of mergers of several schools that closed this year, as they were not available

3) I did NOT include the kids from other schools in bordering counties

 

 

I don't think I'm that far off, in the overall scheme of things.

 

You are correct in that students to "drop out" of the catholic school programs. However, if you ran the same numbers for the public schools you would see the same trend. At my small independent school in central Kentuck we will enroll a freshman class of around 90 students and when they graduate the class will be somewhere around 80. That is pretty consistent every year.

I think that ANY argument about how many go from one system to another or from one state to another misses the point. It is about choice. The reasons behind the choice are irrelevant. Whether or not the KHSAA allows out of state kids to play has nothing to do with the public - private debate. It is a separate issue. If the KHSAA decides to outlaw out of state kids, I think it is a mistake, but it will apply equally to all schools.

 

On a separate issue, there seems to be some misinformation regarding the South Oldham kid. The problem is not that he was living in Jefferson County and going to SO. There are NO KHSAA rules against that. The problem was the the Oldham County schools don't allow out of district students. Athletes have to be treated the same as all students, therefore he couldn't be treated any different than any other student.

I don't know if this has already been answered but how many kids that are on Trinity or St. X's football team are from Indiana? I spoke with someone who tossed out a figure that was extremely high in regards to that question. I just need this for clarification.

I don't know if this has already been answered but how many kids that are on Trinity or St. X's football team are from Indiana? I spoke with someone who tossed out a figure that was extremely high in regards to that question. I just need this for clarification.

 

 

For Trinity, I only know of one.

The number the guy told me was 40. I thought he was crazy but I didn't want to argue without knowing for sure. By the way he was a huge supporter of the seperation.

The number the guy told me was 40. I thought he was crazy but I didn't want to argue without knowing for sure. By the way he was a huge supporter of the seperation.

 

 

I'm not even sure if we have 40 Indiana STUDENTS in the entire school. :confused:

It's just another example of the misinformation being spread around by the people who support this thing.

Thanks for joining us H. I was wondering, how many Catholic grade school kids play for your football team? For that matter, how many "non-traditional" middle school kids play for your football team?

 

 

As far as I know, entry into Male is not available for students coming from outside of one of the Traditional middle schools. It didn't used to be that way (when I went there from 1985-1989 there were openings available and some kids from outside the Traditional program were accepted). This question has been addressed by Fangcanwin in another thread ( http://www.bluegrasspreps.com/showthread.php?t=79152&page=1& ). In recent years, I believe Male has been closed to kids not coming from one of the Traditional middle schools. It is currently easier to get into Butler, the other Traditional program high school in Jeff Co, if you aren't coming from one of the feeder middle schools. The JCPS guide to options and magnets states that entry to Male is not available to kids outside of the 3 middle schools, and that kids outside the program may apply for entry to Butler if spots are available there. As Fangcanwin mentioned in his post, Earl Heyman (a standout lineman at Ballard who is seeing playing time at UofL as a true frosh) was unable to get into Male because he wasn't coming in through the 3 Trad program middle schools. If opportunities existed for kids "from the outside" to enroll, I would have thought Heyman would have played for the Bulldogs.

 

I would like to see the JCPS expand Male' facilities to increase capacity since there is obviously much more demand to go there than any school other than possibly Manual. But with many other HS's under capacity, I doubt they would spend the money.

Some kids are taken out of other middle schools and enrolled into one of the 3 trad middle schools. This helps them later get into Male.

Some kids are taken out of other middle schools and enrolled into one of the 3 trad middle schools. This helps them later get into Male.

 

 

You're right. I know that happens and it may explain how kids who have attended Catholic grade school are able to attend Male.

Yep and I believe that is recruiting. It happened at my school last year.